Pre-Game Talk: NHL Trade Deadline - Wednesday March 5 @ 12 noon PST - Part II

[thepuckmonster]

Acquiring Ehrhoff really only makes sense if we ship out a top four defenseman (Edler being the likely candidate). And even then, does that fit with the re-tool/re-build mentality? I like him a lot, but he's 31.

I don't even see the point of reacquiring Ehrhoff unless it is to play with Edler. That's the only reason I'd want him back because of how good they were together.

Garrison-Ehrhoff just doesn't do it for me.

 

[deckercky]

People have mentioned that it may be easier to just get value and worry about position later.

If next year is expected to be a rebuilding year with Horvat getting time on the roster, then the team doesn't really need to get a top 6 center back. You resign Santorelli for 2-3 years and let him and Schroeder compete for the second line center role.

Now, Phillie is a team that should be interested in Kesler, and has 4 centers that could be top 6 centers right now (Giroux, Schenn, Couturier and Lecavelier are all over 40 pt paces right now), so they have some appropriate assets that could give Canucks a center back while being the best value. But if you can get better quality overall, go for it.

I also think that if the Canucks can get a bit more value by taking a cap dump, they should at this point. If Edler and Kesler are on the way out, they can afford it. If taking Bickell is the cost to bring back TT and Saad from Chicago, you do it. Rebuilding teams with money can afford to overpay third liners.

 

[thepuckmonster]

If next year is expected to be a rebuilding year with Horvat getting time on the roster, then the team doesn't really need to get a top 6 center back. You resign Santorelli for 2-3 years and let him and Schroeder compete for the second line center role.

Now, Phillie is a team that should be interested in Kesler, and has 4 centers that could be top 6 centers right now (Giroux, Schenn, Couturier and Lecavelier are all over 40 pt paces right now), so they have some appropriate assets that could give Canucks a center back while being the best value. But if you can get better quality overall, go for it.

I also think that if the Canucks can get a bit more value by taking a cap dump, they should at this point. If Edler and Kesler are on the way out, they can afford it. If taking Bickell is the cost to bring back TT and Saad from Chicago, you do it. Rebuilding teams with money can afford to overpay third liners.

Wait, if Philly has 4 centers on a top 6 pace why do they need Kesler at all?

 

[deckercky]

I don't even see the point of reacquiring Ehrhoff unless it is to play with Edler. That's the only reason I'd want him back because of how good they were together.

Garrison-Ehrhoff just doesn't do it for me.

Ehrhoff is a much more flexible player than Edler (works with more players, and works on both sides), and improves the entire team's transition game. I'd do an Edler for Ehrhoff swap even though Edler is probably better overall, just because Ehrhoff is a better fit in my opinion. I imagine Ehrhoff - Garrison would play together on the powerplay, but Ehrhoff could play with whoever at even strength.

 

[deckercky]

Wait, if Philly has 4 centers on a top 6 pace why do they need Kesler at all?

Well....one of Schenn and Lecavelier is having to play out of position and they aren't particularly good at it (both have visibly struggled at wing), while Kesler can fit as a top line winger. Kesler is also clearly the second best center on that team.

 

[TruGr1t]

Well....one of Schenn and Lecavelier is having to play out of position and they aren't particularly good at it (both have visibly struggled at wing), while Kesler can fit as a top line winger. Kesler is also clearly the second best center on that team.

I'd be all over one of Schenn or Couturier for Edler. I dunno about the value though.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Dan Girardi just re-signed with the Rangers which may drive up Edler's value as Girardi was supposed to be the 'best' d-man available at the deadline.

 

[thepuckmonster]

Dan Girardi just re-signed with the Rangers which may drive up Edler's value as Girardi was supposed to be the 'best' d-man available at the deadline.

I think Leafs nation just imploded upon themselves since they were certain they'd be getting Girardi at the TDL.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Dan Girardi just re-signed with the Rangers which may drive up Edler's value as Girardi was supposed to be the 'best' d-man available at the deadline.

Says who? Does anyone out East even know what they are talking about? I feel like most of us are judged by boxscores and stupid stats like +/-

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I think Leafs nation just imploded upon themselves since they were certain they'd be getting Girardi at the TDL.

Leafs nation thinks they are getting anyone at anytime whenever they want for peanuts. They can eat a peach.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Flyers fan offer for Edler:

Scott Laughton +Robert Hagg for Alex Edler

I really like that offer. Laughton is solid and Hagg projects to be a very Edler-like d-man.

 

[Nuckles]

Flyers fan offer for Edler:



I really like that offer. Laughton is solid and Hagg projects to be a very Edler-like d-man.

Not interested. I want B. Schenn + 1st at minimum.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Not interested. I want B. Schenn + 1st at minimum.

For Edler?

 

[thepuckmonster]

Laughton is underwhelming to me. I really don't understand the hype about him and I think Gaunce is better. Hagg is meh.

Honestly anything I'd want from Philly for Edler is unmoveable apparently.

 

[Nuckles]

For Edler?

Yep. Laughton and Hagg are "meh" compared to what Edler can do.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Not interested. I want B. Schenn + 1st at minimum.

I'd take Laughton, their 2014 2nd and 2015 1st for Edler if this team is going to rebuild.

 

[DCantheDDad]

I'm not very impressed with Laughton. I wouldn't want to see him coming back for either edler or kesler, even as a secondary piece

 

[deckercky]

Flyers fan offer for Edler:



I really like that offer. Laughton is solid and Hagg projects to be a very Edler-like d-man.

For Edler, I don't mind that type of return (maybe a late 2nd or early 3rd added to that?). That would actually be quite a solid 'stock the cupboards' type trade.

 

[TruGr1t]

Not interested. I want B. Schenn + 1st at minimum.

Honestly, I'd probably take Schenn straight across for Edler.

 

[Canucker]

Honestly, I'd probably take Schenn straight across for Edler.

No thanks to that....Edler is worth more IMO, warts and all.

 

[arsmaster*]

Price just went up on all our dmen.

Wouldn't be surprised if Bieksa is willing to move as well, if they're also shopping his good buddy, Kesler.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Price just went up on all our dmen.

Wouldn't be surprised if Bieksa is willing to move as well, if they're also shopping his good buddy, Kesler.

Yes, I could see Bieksa waving to Detroit, Toronto, Ottawa or Montreal..All would have good pieces for him

 

[thepuckmonster]

Again, I don't think Edler's moving anywhere. I don't think MG will move Kesler and Edler at the same time. Kesler and Bieksa more likely. Especially since Diaz looks really good and Tanev is back.

 

[Wetcoaster]

Pierre LeBrun with some thoughts on the trade deadline for some teams.
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=nhl&id=29339&src=desktop&wjb

On Vancouver:

No shortage of teams interested in Canucks center Ryan Kesler, and you can add Philadelphia to that list. Mind you, the Flyers could be just as interested in Canucks defenseman Alexander Edler.

Have to imagine that the Canucks’ asking price in any Kesler deal would start with Brayden Schenn, and I’m not sure the Flyers would go there.

Edler would actually address Philly’s more pressing need, upgrading its blue line. But again, how much does Vancouver want?

Good friend Rob Rossi of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review tweeted Thursday night that he believes the Penguins talked to Vancouver about Kesler, as well. I wrote Thursday about Detroit and Columbus as obvious fits.

Again, when it comes to Kesler, who has two more years on his deal at a bargain $5 million per year, there is lots of interest.

This is Vancouver’s big chip to play, whether it’s now or in June, in terms of reshaping their roster and getting younger without going into a full-blown rebuild.​

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Again, I don't think Edler's moving anywhere. I don't think MG will move Kesler and Edler at the same time. Kesler and Bieksa more likely. Especially since Diaz looks really good and Tanev is back.

I think trading Bieksa leaves a gaping hole in our defence in terms of toughness and aggression.

The only reason you trade Bieksa is because the young talent you get back is too good to say no to.

I wonder if we could flip Bieksa and bring in a young kid like Tinordi as part of that deal or in a separate deal to give the defence a tougher flavour...