GDT: NHL Trade Deadline Thread Part 2

[Dipsy Doodle]

It seems like a lot of talk is about adding a top 6 scorer or some defense - despite JR's stated satisfaction with the latter - but is anybody satisfied with our 3rd line situation?


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[Empoleon8771]

It seems like a lot of talk is about adding a top 6 scorer or some defense - despite JR's stated satisfaction with the latter - but is anybody satisfied with our 3rd line situation?

If you acquire a top-6 scorer, you help your 3rd line by pushing players down.

 

[wej20]

Chances are they'd take back salary as part of any Stone deal. They'd probably prefer it to be expiring salary, though, so they don't have to deal with it beyond this year.

I don't think any of our expendable assets fit that criteria. The guys we'd likely want to move (Johnson for sure, maybe Pearson) all have term.

Or someone with a big caphit but low salary, I bet Melynk would pay picks for someone like that.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

If you acquire a top-6 scorer, you help your 3rd line by pushing players down.

It helps depth, but I'm not sure how the mix improves.

We're still using one of McCann or Bjugstad at 3C. I remain unconvinced. I like McCann's speed and tenacity but he doesn't seem to have the offense to be a good 3C at this point. Bjugstad's been getting very favourable deployment but he's having a lot of trouble in terms of possession.

I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I don't think either's capable of thriving in that role this season.

 

[Andy99]

OTT is approaching the cap floor, if they trade stone they will be under it. Would they be willing to take some cap dumps? Maybe attach a pick with it?

You mean like JJ?......yes please

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Wishful thinking on my part, but maybe DET moved Jensen to make way for Jack MF Johnson. Based on Mackey's chat yesterday, they had interest in signing him in the offseason at a higher cap hit (and fewer years).

Nope, never mind. They have no cap space.

 

[TimmyD]

Wishful thinking on my part, but maybe DET moved Jensen to make way for Jack MF Johnson. Based on Mackey's chat yesterday, they had interest in signing him in the offseason at a higher cap hit (and fewer years).

Nope, never mind. They have no cap space.

They have no cap space until they trade us Nyquist for JJ

 

[SaucyCelly]

They have no cap space until they trade us Nyquist for JJ

Or if they trade howard (not to us but in general)

 

[USMC607]

I'm just kind of suprised I havent heard any substantial rumors or smoke regarding the Pens.

I know JR kind of lead on he was done unless something great (with term) came along.

But... I'm stuck on wanting to keep the first and wanting to go all in for any upgrade we can while we still have a window. I keep flip flopping.

Idk...

 

[Nakawick]

I’d do Kessel and Johnson for Zucker and Pateryn and a pick/prospect if that deal is out there. Then flip the pick/prospect for a rental like Zuccarello with some retention to fit under the cap.

Other than moving those 2 or maybe Maatta and/or Pearson, I would probably ride out the season as is and keep our first.

Edit, would be OK with moving Bjugstad as well.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I’d do Kessel and Johnson for Zucker and Pateryn and a pick/prospect if that deal is out there. Then flip the pick/prospect for a rental like Zuccarello with some retention to fit under the cap.

Other than moving those 2 or maybe Maatta and/or Pearson, I would probably ride out the season as is and keep our first.

Edit, would be OK with moving Bjugstad as well.

Id really wanna get Spurgeon or Dumba for Kessel and then trade for a wing like Zuccarello or Dzingel.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'll lay out my suggestion again:

Penguins trade Pearson and a lottery protected 1st to the NYR for Zuccarello and Claesson
Come to a "handshake agreement" similar to what Anaheim did with Silfverberg, something around $5.5 million for 4 years or so
At the draft, trade Kessel to Nashville for Fiala and their 1st

You'll end up with a top-9 of:

Guentzel-Crosby-Zuccarello
Fiala-Malkin-Rust
McCann-Bjugstad-Hornqvist

Which, as long as it works with the cap, looks amazing to me. You get Kessel for an additional playoff run as well.

 

[The Old Master]

I'm just kind of suprised I havent heard any substantial rumors or smoke regarding the Pens.

I know JR kind of lead on he was done unless something great (with term) came along.

But... I'm stuck on wanting to keep the first and wanting to go all in for any upgrade we can while we still have a window. I keep flip flopping.

Idk...

I blame capy and kirk. just when you need them poof their gone.

 

[Nakawick]

Id really wanna get Spurgeon or Dumba for Kessel and then trade for a wing like Zuccarello or Dzingel.

Something like that would be OK too I guess, but I would rather keep the 1st than spend on a rental. We are to close to a lottery pick to trade it imo.

It is really hard to gauge the emotional level and the commitment this year. They rise up to play relatively well against teams like the caps and bolts, then look like they are playing pre season most other times. I could see the team going on a run or going completely off the rails, or sputtering along .500 like the have most of the year.

 

[TimmyD]

I'll lay out my suggestion again:

Penguins trade Pearson and a lottery protected 1st to the NYR for Zuccarello and Claesson
Come to a "handshake agreement" similar to what Anaheim did with Silfverberg, something around $5.5 million for 4 years or so
At the draft, trade Kessel to Nashville for Fiala and their 1st

You'll end up with a top-9 of:

Guentzel-Crosby-Zuccarello
Fiala-Malkin-Rust
McCann-Bjugstad-Hornqvist

Which, as long as it works with the cap, looks amazing to me. You get Kessel for an additional playoff run as well.

I would try to add some pieces to Kessel to get Ellis as well

 

[Will Hunting]

I'll lay out my suggestion again:

Penguins trade Pearson and a lottery protected 1st to the NYR for Zuccarello and Claesson
Come to a "handshake agreement" similar to what Anaheim did with Silfverberg, something around $5.5 million for 4 years or so
At the draft, trade Kessel to Nashville for Fiala and their 1st

You'll end up with a top-9 of:

Guentzel-Crosby-Zuccarello
Fiala-Malkin-Rust
McCann-Bjugstad-Hornqvist

Which, as long as it works with the cap, looks amazing to me. You get Kessel for an additional playoff run as well.

Looks good, yeah. But that last sentence.. Kessel for an additional playoff run.. I mean he was the worst player on the ice against the Caps last year. Worse than Tanger, imo. I would trade Kessel for UFA Zuccarello at this point, if that was somehow possible (of course impossible). But it´s not like having Kessel for the playoffs is that great. Also, the last part of the season should get a verdict on Hornqvist. Having both, Kessel and Hornqvist is so annoying at this point. At least one of them NEEDS to go. Absolutely. If we start next season with both, I might be done with this organization.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I would try to add some pieces to Kessel to get Ellis as well

I don't think that's reasonable, despite what Predators fans say about their willingness to do that deal. I even think Fiala and a 1st for Kessel is crazy optimistic.

 

[Nakawick]

I'll lay out my suggestion again:

Penguins trade Pearson and a lottery protected 1st to the NYR for Zuccarello and Claesson
Come to a "handshake agreement" similar to what Anaheim did with Silfverberg, something around $5.5 million for 4 years or so
At the draft, trade Kessel to Nashville for Fiala and their 1st

You'll end up with a top-9 of:

Guentzel-Crosby-Zuccarello
Fiala-Malkin-Rust
McCann-Bjugstad-Hornqvist

Which, as long as it works with the cap, looks amazing to me. You get Kessel for an additional playoff run as well.

I doubt Nashville is going to have a 2019 1st at the draft. But something along those lines is probably in my wheel house too.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Something like that would be OK too I guess, but I would rather keep the 1st than spend on a rental. We are to close to a lottery pick to trade it imo.

It is really hard to gauge the emotional level and the commitment this year. They rise up to play relatively well against teams like the caps and bolts, then look like they are playing pre season most other times. I could see the team going on a run or going completely off the rails, or sputtering along .500 like the have most of the year.

Trade a conditional pick for Dzingel. Becomes a first if he signs. Your D improves, more balanced Top-6.

 

[SHOOTANDSCORE]

Zucc and Stone aren't Pens yet? C'mon JR, Jeopardy is over. Get to work.

 

[TimmyD]

I don't think that's reasonable, despite what Predators fans say about their willingness to do that deal. I even think Fiala and a 1st for Kessel is crazy optimistic.

Kessel+Maatta+Simon+3rd for Fiala+Ellis+1st

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

These proposed forward lineups are fantastic--but how do we fix the blueline? Jack Johnson is an abomination, and this team could use a replacement for Olli Maatta that better fits the style of play that the league is trending toward (skating, aggressive).

We moved Scuderi--and for a helpful player to boot. We got rid of Hunwick--but it came at a price. If it was hard to move JJ early in the year after he just signed the ridiculous contract, I can't imagine a horrendous season does much to make it any easier for JR to move on from that mistake.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Kessel+Maatta+Simon+3rd for Fiala+Ellis+1st

I don't think Nashville would want Maatta, they already have Ekholm and Josi (who's going to need a big raise) in the near future.

Realistically, I think you can get Tolvanen and a 1st for Kessel, maybe a salary dump with that. That's an interesting thought on whether you'd want to gamble on Tolvanen being the centerpiece, but that's beside the point. I don't see them or any team trading a top-3 defenseman for Phil Kessel, I just don't see it. Teams who want to trade a top-4 D probably don't want to bring back Kessel for that guy.

 

[Ginormousthumbs]

I think JR isn’t going to make anymore moves this season. He probably feels like he’s done his job and added the necessary pieces and it’s up to the players and coaching staff to sort it out. He’ll revaluate during the off season.

 

[Riptide]

It seems like a lot of talk is about adding a top 6 scorer or some defense - despite JR's stated satisfaction with the latter - but is anybody satisfied with our 3rd line situation?

A) how much of what JR is saying is to not put himself in a situation where he's said he's looking for an upgrade and then GMs try to bend him over to max out the return? Odds are whomever he picks up (if he gets anyone) is someone that he's been looking at and talking about for a while.
B) if JR does get someone, that's more depth getting pushed down to L3 (whomever plays there).

Edit. And on another note, weren't you with Ryder crying to get Bjugstad in Jun/Oct 2017, as well as most of the early part of that season?

I mean we've gone the defensive route (Sheahan) and few were happy despite some excellent results. We then went the high end offensive (Brassard) route and even fewer people were happy with the actual results. Now we've got not one, but two guys who project to be more of the middle of the road 3Cs, and again some are complaining. I mean Jesus f***ing Christ.