"NHL Contraction Draft" Discussion Thread

jmelm

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Hi All,

So I've been thinking about this and wanted to do a bit of a case study to see the following: what would the NHL look like if it had 28 teams instead of 30, and how this would impact the talent pool & parity around the league.

So what I'm suggesting is the following: We find 28 participants to act as the GM of an NHL team, and then we will have 2 drafts:


1) We have an absolutely fresh, clean-slate draft of existing NHL players to build a team. There can be some type of lottery system (or, failing that, an arbitrary system) to determine the order of selections. Then, we will have several rounds of a draft, say 23 roster players, to build our team's roster.

2) After the first draft is completed, we will have a 2nd draft for young prospects/undrafted players not currently in the NHL to form our team's prospect pool. (The exact number or rounds & draft order will be somehow determined).



The purpose of this experiment, besides pure fun, is to asess what the NHL would look like and how the teams would all compare if there were 2 less teams, and what that would do for each team's roster. (If people would prefer, we could do 26 teams instead of 28).

What inspired this idea is the amount of seemingly glaring weaknesses that many teams are experiencing and have failed to address. For example, CGY needing quality centermen, WSH & SJ being short on defense, MIN & NSH needing scoring depth, Pittsburgh needing scoring wingers, TB & PHI needing established goaltending talent, etc.

The way I see it is, there is not enough excess of talent in the stronger teams to account for the lack of talent on the other side of the ledger; nor is there a great excess of top-tier players NOT playing in the NHL in other leagues in NA or Europe. The salary cap has helped weaker teams be competitive, but it hasn't quite bridged the gap of making ALL teams truly contending competitors. So my assertion is that while the quality of hockey and it's players is greater now than it's ever been, the talent pool of hockey players hasn't quite caught up to the NHL's rate of expansion. Obviously the NHL is not going to contract, and things will probably catch up in 5 to 8 years or so, but I would like to see what the league would look like if there was a hypothetical contraction, or if there were not quite so many teams.

So if anyone is interested in putting on their GM hat or otherwise contribute to this experiment, please let me know! :yo:

Draft Selections Spreadsheet:https://spreadsheets0.google.com/cc...authkey=CKzc0JsO&hl=en&authkey=CKzc0JsO#gid=0
 
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What inspired this idea is the amount of seemingly glaring weaknesses that many teams are experiencing and have failed to address. For example, CGY needing quality centermen, WSH & SJ being short on defense, MIN & NSH needing scoring depth, Pittsburgh needing scoring wingers, TB & PHI needing established goaltending talent, etc.

I think alot of the problems referenced above are more related to the salary cap than they are the # of teams. If salary wasn't an issue, we'd be poaching more KHL players.
 

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I'd be happy to participate, though I agree this is probably more a result of the cap system. But I guess that's the point of the experiment...

Anyway, I volunteer.
 

jmelm

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I'd definitely try this out.

Sign me up. Sounds like fun.


Thanks guys. I am going to give this a couple of days to garner more response, feedback & participant requests. Undoubtedly, there will be more people wanting to participate than there will be room for. Extra considerating may go to moderators/HF staff, hockey media, scouts or those professionally working in the sport, etc., but I will try to be as fair and equitable as possible. If anyone wants to sign up as a team, with another member or two, that may also factor into the equation favourably. I will definitely look to including people in different geographies and fans of various NHL teams to get the broadest impact and leverage their knowledge of their favourite team's players. For those interested in participating, or simply seeing the results, please give me some input on the following:
-should we do 26 or 28 teams?
-should we schedule a fixed time where we have the first draft, or do we do it slowly over a period of several days?
-should we do a snake order draft (I think so) for the first draft? And then some type of lottery draft for the prospects/draft picks?and any other input you may have.

Thanks,
jmelm
 
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jmelm

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I think alot of the problems referenced above are more related to the salary cap than they are the # of teams. If salary wasn't an issue, we'd be poaching more KHL players.

personally, I disagree. but the beauty of this experiment will be to test our ideas.

This process will not initially include a salary cap component, so we will be able to see how much of a factor this really is.
 

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I think alot of the problems referenced above are more related to the salary cap than they are the # of teams. If salary wasn't an issue, we'd be poaching more KHL players.

Exactly. Honestly I believe there is plenty of talent to make 32 teams. Just add two teams into the best fully supported markets (such as Canada). I know we bash many players here but to say that Redden, Afinogenov, Heut aren't even NHL caliber is kind of ridiculous. Two of them got bad contracts because the moron GMs during free agency. The big boy clutch and grab era is over and great skaters such as the Europeans from playing on larger ice can play in the NHL.

I believe many clubs could put at least one or two more prospects on NHL ice but contracts and quality of available players push them down in the depth chart. I also believe that is hurts prospects in general because NHL caliber players are stealing ice time away from their development in the Junior/AHL levels. Players stagnate and IMO hurt the overall product. (Won't be moved into power play, short handed time, or play in critical moments.)

No only would this increase revenue for the league, but this would be a great move to severely hurt the KHL because it would remove the guys from them that can't crack a line up for reasons such as the salary cap or they can make more money over there instead of taking a low contract, which is a very big risk on their part. (holy super run-on sentence Batman!)

One of the things that I haven't seen any fans bring up is the forcing of retirement by guys that might not be able to bring their 'A' games anymore. If you guys and gals remember a little while ago Recchi was placed on waivers because he was 'useless' to the Penguins. He played great with Atlanta and is still playing great with Boston. Maybe he needed a wake up call, time to heal, or just the ability to play with different skilled players. There can be room for them.

NHL playoffs are one of the best in the world, but at the moment more than half of the teams get into them. I hate that. One thing to keep in mind is that I believe the ownership and management of the new and current teams needs to be thoroughly investigated. Badly managed teams (you know who they are) should have been forced to sell (not relocated) because they do not care about the product. Bad teams over a long period of time hurt the league.

In the end business is business and people getting screwed over is the nature of the game. However, I still will hold my belief that this league can support 32 teams as long as we (they) solve the problem of bad owners and management. The talent is there, and the fans are there. All we need is a few owners that care about winning and making money.
 

HockeyH3aven

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I would be up for this.

For those interested in participating, or simply seeing the results, please give me some input on the following:
-should we do 26 or 28 teams?
-should we schedule a fixed time where we have the first draft, or do we do it slowly over a period of several days?
-should we do a snake order draft (I think so) for the first draft? And then some type of lottery draft for the prospects/draft picks?and any other input you may have.

-I say 26. I'm not sure if having two less teams would make a big difference. 26 is enough to really get some good data without making the idea so radical it will never happen.

- A live draft in one shot is ideal, but it's very unreasonable to expect a bunch of internet strangers to be able to come together at a specific time and spend several hours drafting. The second one is more reasonable.

- Not sure what a snake order draft is ><
 

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-should we do 26 or 28 teams?

26. You'll be able to see the effect more clearly.

-should we schedule a fixed time where we have the first draft, or do we do it slowly over a period of several days?

Perhaps have a fixed time where we agree to meet and do a few rounds at a time, over 2-3 days? Doing it all at once would take hours and hours, doing it slowly could take weeks. Either way, we should probably submit lists to speed up the process.

-should we do a snake order draft (I think so) for the first draft? And then some type of lottery draft for the prospects/draft picks?and any other input you may have.

Yes.
 

KittysGotClaws

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-should we do 26 or 28 teams?

26. You'll be able to see the effect more clearly.

-should we schedule a fixed time where we have the first draft, or do we do it slowly over a period of several days?

Perhaps have a fixed time where we agree to meet and do a few rounds at a time, over 2-3 days? Doing it all at once would take hours and hours, doing it slowly could take weeks. Either way, we should probably submit lists to speed up the process.

-should we do a snake order draft (I think so) for the first draft? And then some type of lottery draft for the prospects/draft picks?and any other input you may have.

Yes.

Agreed 100% with all of these answers.
 

Fitzy

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I would be happy to participate. PM me if you want my help.
 

Intact

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I'd like to join, and for the questions: 26 for sure, drafting process over a period of several days, and snake order for the drafting.
 

MrAlfie

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I'd give it a shot , but I'd prefer a draft over several days as I'm tied up with work and family.

Oh and I prefer 28 teams.

Snake Draft I guess?
 

nucksfan8888

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I would have to say go with 26 teams for the same reasons people have stated above, the effect will be clearer.

Also I think people will be astonished at the depth an complete teams. Realistically though teams wouldn't be as balanced with the same parity in the league if contraction actually happened past a season or two, just due to the nature of the sport, there are some questionable decisions in sports an some Milbury (General Manager) would screw up.

One thing; what are the teams in this draft? NHL teams? Minus which 4? So basically which fan base do you piss off? Lol, or do we just go with completely different teams, everyone involved just create a team, so there's no scrambling around to call which team you want to draft with. I personally don't care what my team is called as long as I was involved, I'd love to be a part of this.


*One more thing, everyone should have a designated secondary GM (if enough people are interested) so that after a certain amount time once it comes to your pick, I don't know how long, someone else can pick for you so the draft can move along, just an idea so the draft would keep moving.
 
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