Post-Game Talk: New York Rangers at New Jersey Devils - December 21

[eco's bones]

I think he was a RW.

I meant that by the time he got to the Rangers he had become a power play specialist on the point.

I always looked at Rousseau as an all purpose forward. By the time he got to the Rangers he was getting up there in years......but the Rangers would plug him in at wing--plug him in at center sometimes and when they were on the power play he was always manning the point with Brad Park and they worked really well together. Rousseau had some slick skills.

 

[eco's bones]

Anyway back to shootout options. Kreider has never really got many of them and I can only think it's because when they practice he's not very good. Nash has lost a lot of his finish over the years and I don't think he has a good history with shootouts either. Buchnevich has gotten one attempt this year and it was a pretty feeble one.

Personally before those three guys I'd be looking at Miller, Hayes and maybe even Fast or Grabner.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Anyway back to shootout options. Kreider has never really got many of them and I can only think it's because when they practice he's not very good. Nash has lost a lot of his finish over the years and I don't think he has a good history with shootouts either. Buchnevich has gotten one attempt this year and it was a pretty feeble one.

Personally before those three guys I'd be looking at Miller, Hayes and maybe even Fast or Grabner.

iirc, Jagr was weak on shootouts.

 

[eco's bones]

Rangers shootout history as far as goals/attempts by individual players:

Ryan McDonagh 0-0
Nick Holden 0-0
Brady Skjei 0-0
Kevin Shattenkirk 9-28
Marc Staal 0-1
Brendan Smith 0-1
Steven Kampfer 0-0

Mika Zibanejad 15-35
Mats Zuccarello 21-42
Rick Nash 32-85 (the bulk though from his days as a Blue Jacket--he is 6-19 with the Rangers)
David Desharnais 17-43
Jimmy Vesey 2-5
JT Miller 1-5
Kevin Hayes 1-2
Pavel Buchnevich 0-1
Chris Kreider 0-1
Michael Grabner 0-1
Jesper Fast 0-0
Paul Carey 0-0
Boo Nieves 0-0

Which is to say that Zuccarello and Zibanejad should be our 1. and 2. shooters. Then maybe Desharnais and what the f*** ever after that.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Our coaches not only look at the players stats on penalty shots and shootouts. They ask our goalies who are our players that are toughest to stop on breakaways. It is not about who is a coaches favorite player in any way shape or form.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

I'm going through hockeyreference. I don't think I'll have the patience. I estimated it would take 3 days with no time off for sleep to just get the data for the last three seasons, including this one. I'm going game by game and getting stats from players.

P.S. I really need to learn how to do index/match, I'm old school and do VLookups. I guess I can take a look at a youtube tutorial.

Don't blame you - that would be a ton of work to do manually.

Yes, Index/match is a game changer, much more dynamic than a vlookup. Pretty easy to learn too, a YouTube vid would definitely do the trick.

 

[SA16]

Index/Match >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vlookup takes about a minute to learn

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

We have five skaters with a significant sample in the NHL where you could actually make a determination about their shootout ability.

The rest of picking should have nearly nothing to do with NHL percentages, given they've taken so few NHL shootout attempts.

Who do you trust in a shootout? Thats what the question should be when players are sent to take shots. Besides, part of why they have so few is AV. They can't up their numbers if their number isn't called by the coach.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Rangers shootout history as far as goals/attempts by individual players:

Ryan McDonagh 0-0
Nick Holden 0-0
Brady Skjei 0-0
Kevin Shattenkirk 9-28
Marc Staal 0-1
Brendan Smith 0-1
Steven Kampfer 0-0

Mika Zibanejad 15-35
Mats Zuccarello 21-42
Rick Nash 32-85 (the bulk though from his days as a Blue Jacket--he is 6-19 with the Rangers)
David Desharnais 17-43
Jimmy Vesey 2-5
JT Miller 1-5
Kevin Hayes 1-2
Pavel Buchnevich 0-1
Chris Kreider 0-1
Michael Grabner 0-1
Jesper Fast 0-0
Paul Carey 0-0
Boo Nieves 0-0

Which is to say that Zuccarello and Zibanejad should be our 1. and 2. shooters. Then maybe Desharnais and what the **** ever after that.

So it’s not a clear cut painfully obvious choice for the 3-5 position shooters and we also aren’t in practice with the team?

 

[Captain Lindy]

Our coaches not only look at the players stats on penalty shots and shootouts. They ask our goalies who are our players that are toughest to stop on breakaways. It is not about who is a coaches favorite player in any way shape or form.

Interesting point! I didn't know that.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Don't blame you - that would be a ton of work to do manually.

Yes, Index/match is a game changer, much more dynamic than a vlookup. Pretty easy to learn too, a YouTube vid would definitely do the trick.

I decided to go the route of going by player rather than by game. A team has 12 forwards, 6 D, and 2 goalies. Adding even 10 to that due to trades and call ups, that's 30*30. Much better than 82*30.

And I watched the tutorial and I think it's more useful for financial type modeling. In the type of analysis that I usually do where each column is well defined and statis and you're pulling from one column at a time Vlookup works just fine. It may be even easier to use.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Our coaches not only look at the players stats on penalty shots and shootouts. They ask our goalies who are our players that are toughest to stop on breakaways. It is not about who is a coaches favorite player in any way shape or form.

And in regard to AV, your point is...........

 

[chosen]

Surely you mean them giving up goals to ex rangers is nonsense, because them giving up more of these goals relative to other teams is completely plausible.

You hypothesized a theory based on your feelings with literally zero evidence to back it up. It falls under the bucket of the interminable whining of lots of fans in all sports.

"My team is getting screwed, has terrible luck, is getting screwed by the refs and the league, blah, blah, blah".

 

[chosen]

Devils have a team shooting percentage of 10.2 % (10th in the league)
Rangers have a team shooting percentage of 10.5 % (8th in the league)
Islanders have a team shooting percentage of 11.3 % (2nd behind Tampa)

Hey, no facts. Only feelings.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Interesting point! I didn't know that.

Joe has talked about it a couple of times. They will ask Lundys advice on who he finds the toughest to stop in practice.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Rangers shootout history as far as goals/attempts by individual players:

Ryan McDonagh 0-0
Nick Holden 0-0
Brady Skjei 0-0
Kevin Shattenkirk 9-28
Marc Staal 0-1
Brendan Smith 0-1
Steven Kampfer 0-0

Mika Zibanejad 15-35
Mats Zuccarello 21-42
Rick Nash 32-85 (the bulk though from his days as a Blue Jacket--he is 6-19 with the Rangers)
David Desharnais 17-43
Jimmy Vesey 2-5
JT Miller 1-5
Kevin Hayes 1-2
Pavel Buchnevich 0-1
Chris Kreider 0-1
Michael Grabner 0-1
Jesper Fast 0-0
Paul Carey 0-0
Boo Nieves 0-0

Which is to say that Zuccarello and Zibanejad should be our 1. and 2. shooters. Then maybe Desharnais and what the **** ever after that.

Good summary on the shootout attempts. If you like you can also look at the penalty shoot attempts. They will be less but I think Rick Nash is 2 for 10 on penalty shots.

 

[will1066]

What about Paul Carey?

 

[pylon17]

Zibanejad was dangerous as f. What a horrible trade for Ott lol. Love his stick and explosion, he’s electrifying.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Joe has talked about it a couple of times. They will ask Lundys advice on who he finds the toughest to stop in practice.

So it’s Benoit Allaire’s fault!

What else does he force AV to do?

Why is he sabotaging us?

This mad man must be stopped!

I think BennyBoy might be behind giving Buch rookie minutes in his rookie year, making 5 other teams and the NHL not want Clandening, not allowing our number 1 centers to be true number 1 centers, and winning the wrong way.

We have to expose him. Nick pls!

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

At least we're getting points. Better than 0. Tomorrow get the win, have a good holiday and come back and tune up for the WC.

 

[bl02]

Zibanejad was dangerous as f. What a horrible trade for Ott lol. Love his stick and explosion, he’s electrifying.

If he can stay healthy yes. I still wouldn't say horrible. Brassard helped them get within a goal to the stanley cup finals and who knows what could have happened against the preds. He's also putting up points in ottawa on a very bad team. Still would make the deal but don't think its as bad a deal as the duchene one.

 

[Kaapo Kakko]

I'm very happy Lundqvist is looking like his old self again!

 

[Ola]

Grabner should get more shots in SO. He could surely execute the low left/high right SO fairly well.

 

[Larrybiv]

Anyway back to shootout options. Kreider has never really got many of them and I can only think it's because when they practice he's not very good. Nash has lost a lot of his finish over the years and I don't think he has a good history with shootouts either. Buchnevich has gotten one attempt this year and it was a pretty feeble one.

Personally before those three guys I'd be looking at Miller, Hayes and maybe even Fast or Grabner.

It would be so cool to watch Grabs pulling a Zuccha move. Everything opposite of what Grabs is known for.

 

[Larrybiv]

Joe has talked about it a couple of times. They will ask Lundys advice on who he finds the toughest to stop in practice.

So yet again, this is further confirmation how Hank runs the show behind the scene. AV is nothing but a gun chewing figurehead, kind of like Trump, but with hair.