New Western Teams, how are they doing so far?

[HansH]

AHL only allows the PA announcer to announce a team is at full strength if the penalty clock is broken...I think this is also the NHL's rule too.

My observational evidence counters this -- the Gulls PA announcer announces the teams' return to full strength pretty much every time, to which some fans chant "that's debateable!". Either the rule is not as you understood, or the Gulls are breaking it every game -- which wouldn't be impossible, given some other fumbles in gameday presentation that the organization has seen.

 

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My observational evidence counters this -- the Gulls PA announcer announces the teams' return to full strength pretty much every time, to which some fans chant "that's debateable!". Either the rule is not as you understood, or the Gulls are breaking it every game -- which wouldn't be impossible, given some other fumbles in gameday presentation that the organization has seen.

Unless the AHL has changed their game day manual for this season (which, of course, I no longer have access to) they are not supposed to be announcing a team is at full strength.

 

[Quack Shot]

Unless the AHL has changed their game day manual for this season (which, of course, I no longer have access to) they are not supposed to be announcing a team is at full strength.

The Reign also do this, but have since ECHL years. I bet it's still a rule, but not something they enforce.

 

[axecrew]

If you're not, then why are you taking a completely logical response that Jackman had to a reporters question and exagerate a non-issue?

How is it an exageration what I said...fine he was answering a question...What was the question? You seem to know an awful lot about it so what question was posed to him? What question could a reporter ask him that would bring that response? If he would have just responded that the travel is different compared to the NHL, fine of course it is...there was no need to add the little whine on there about how they have to ride these long bus rides etc. Who cares...you're playing a game and getting paid, besides it's not like the AHL just started busing places...did that when he played his first time around. He comes across as a whining little prima donna when he responds like he did.

 

[Nightsquad]

One word I have for the AHL's new Pacific Division, SUCCESS! How can anyone say it's not???? The NHL teams are happy in terms of logistics and development. All the teams drawing well, better then the rest of the league on average with the exception of San Jose but the fact they play in their own parent clubs own building financially are at an advantage. Don't think they have an advantage, go ask their GM and accountants, especially tax time. AHL teams sharing their parent clubs barn is just another line of business for the organization, suprised if we don't see one or more other teams explore this option at some point. Rust belt fans don't like it but the change has already been done, welcome to the new AHL.

 

[Jackets Woodchuck]

Unless the AHL has changed their game day manual for this season (which, of course, I no longer have access to) they are not supposed to be announcing a team is at full strength.

The Monsters must be getting fined heavily, as they have always said it.

EDIT: Maybe they get away with it because it sets up a crowd chant.

After end of PP: PA: "Both teams full strength" Fans: "that's debatable"
After end of PK: PA: "Your Monsters full strength: Fans: "always were"

 

[Jackets Woodchuck]

One word I have for the AHL's new Pacific Division, SUCCESS! How can anyone say it's not???? The NHL teams are happy in terms of logistics and development. All the teams drawing well, better then the rest of the league on average with the exception of San Jose but the fact they play in their own parent clubs own building financially are at an advantage. Don't think they have an advantage, go ask their GM and accountants, especially tax time. AHL teams sharing their parent clubs barn is just another line of business for the organization, suprised if we don't see one or more other teams explore this option at some point. Rust belt fans don't like it but the change has already been done, welcome to the new AHL.

Rust belt? The only effect this has had on a rust belt team is Rochester moving to the Eastern Conference. The teams that moved were all well east of the Rust Belt (except for Oklahoma City, which is well west).

Okay, there was also the affiliation change for Lake Erie, but that was coming sooner or later anyway.

 

[LadyStanley]

FWIW, the Sharks are accepting STH renewals WITH Barracuda tickets (in SJ).

So, they aren't moving anywhere for now.

 

[go comets]

Rust belt? The only effect this has had on a rust belt team is Rochester moving to the Eastern Conference. The teams that moved were all well east of the Rust Belt (except for Oklahoma City, which is well west).

Okay, there was also the affiliation change for Lake Erie, but that was coming sooner or later anyway.

Utica also moved to the east, lake Erie moved to the west.

 

[Hoodaha]

Gulls had over 11,500 fans tonight. Pretty impressive turnout.

 

[LadyStanley]

http://sports.yahoo.comhttps//sport...-needed--for-western-nhl-teams-175658895.html

“We’ve used the term ‘it’s not what we wanted, it’s what we needed,’” San Jose Sharks general manager Doug Wilson said. “On a hockey front it has been everything we hoped it would be. To have the players know that they’re right there and being seen every day, the travel, the ability to go up and down – we don’t want young players sitting. We want them playing. The geography of it all, it’s worked out as well as we wanted.”

On average, new California teams are pulling in 2k more than their 2014-15 affiliates last year.

 

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On average, new California teams are pulling in 2k more than their 2014-15 affiliates last year.

The post directly above yours is the reason why it's "on average"...

 

[Hoodaha]

The post directly above yours is the reason why it's "on average"...

Except that Bakersfield draws better than OKC, San Diego more than Norfolk, Ontario better than Manchester, and Stockton better than Adirondack. Sure, San Jose and Worcester is a wash, but to attribute it all to San Diego is silly.

 

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Except that Bakersfield draws better than OKC, San Diego more than Norfolk, Ontario better than Manchester, and Stockton better than Adirondack. Sure, San Jose and Worcester is a wash, but to attribute it all to San Diego is silly.

How much better are these markets doing? What are the exact numbers?

 

[HansH]

How much better are these markets doing? What are the exact numbers?

Comparing the five California team numbers at the current point of the season to the same point in the season (same percentage of the way through the home schedule) last year:

NORFOLK -> SAN DIEGO
San Diego - 150,112 after 17 games = 8,830.1
Norfolk - 80,239 after 19 games = 4,223.1
--
Difference = 4,607 per game (109.1% increase)

MANCHESTER -> ONTARIO
Ontario - 187,389 after 23 games = 8,147.3
Manchester - 143,062 after 26 games = 5,502.4
--
Difference = 2,644.9 per game (48.1% increase)

OKLAHOMA CITY -> BAKERSFIELD
Bakersfield - 92,641 after 18 games = 5,146.7
Oklahoma City - 68,860 after 20 games = 3,443.0
--
Difference = 1,703.7 per game (49.5% increase)

ADIRONDACK -> STOCKTON
Stockton - 85,576 after 18 games = 4,754.2
Adirondack - 69,600 after 20 games = 3,480.0
--
Difference = 1,274.2 per game (36.6% increase)

WORCESTER -> SAN JOSE
San Jose - 88,718 after 21 games = 4,224.7
Worcester - 77,165 after 23 games = 3,355.0
--
Difference = 869.7 per game (25.9% increase)

 

[Sports Enthusiast]

Somewhat surprised but I guess you can't be when every new market is bigger than the old one they replaced.

 

[LadyStanley]

Excluding SJ (and SD), all California teams are replacing "existing" lower minor league teams.

SD had a minor league team, and the area was pushing for a new team, so this is a return to a market that had a beloved team. (And they kept the name.)

 

[HansH]

Somewhat surprised but I guess you can't be when every new market is bigger than the old one they replaced.

OKLAHOMA CITY: Population - 610,613
BAKERSFIELD: Population - 363,630

Care to try again?

 

[HansH]

Of the three markets that "moved up":

AHL Ontario - 8147.3
ECHL Ontario - 7401.0
(up 10.1%)

AHL Bakersfield - 5146.7
ECHL Bakersfield - 4721.0
(up 9.0%)

AHL Stockton - 4754.2
ECHL Stockton - 4131.0
(up 15.1%)

Of the three markets that "moved down":

ECHL Manchester - 4282.5
AHL Manchester - 5428.2
(down 21.1%)

ECHL Norfolk - 3572.5
AHL Norfolk - 4429.5
(down 19.4%)

ECHL Adirondack - 2424.9
AHL Adirondack - 3552.3
(down 31.7%)

 

[Hoodaha]

Of the three markets that "moved up":

AHL Ontario - 8147.3
ECHL Ontario - 7401.0
(up 10.1%)

AHL Bakersfield - 5146.7
ECHL Bakersfield - 4721.0
(up 9.0%)

AHL Stockton - 4754.2
ECHL Stockton - 4131.0
(up 15.1%)

Of the three markets that "moved down":

ECHL Manchester - 4282.5
AHL Manchester - 5428.2
(down 21.1%)

ECHL Norfolk - 3572.5
AHL Norfolk - 4429.5
(down 19.4%)

ECHL Adirondack - 2424.9
AHL Adirondack - 3552.3
(down 31.7%)

Interesting numbers. Not surprising, but good to see it quantified. The teams that are moving down may be putting themselves in a position to have no hockey at all. Next year should be interesting in those markets, to see if fans adjust to the new normal or if they continue to decline.

 

[Hoodaha]

OKLAHOMA CITY: Population - 610,613
BAKERSFIELD: Population - 363,630

Care to try again?

To be fair, OKC was hurt badly by a number of factors: NBA, Blazers name being dropped, etc.

Bakersfield has continuously had a team since the 90's in one league or another. Not much competition there and good management/promotional team.

 

[Sports Enthusiast]

OKLAHOMA CITY: Population - 610,613
BAKERSFIELD: Population - 363,630

Care to try again?

No, I don't.

Everything has an exception. I did assume any city in California would be bigger than any city in Chokelahoma and to be fair I didn't think Oklahoma City was the name of an actual city.

Nothing worth getting too excited about.

 

[royals119]

No, I don't.

Everything has an exception. I did assume any city in California would be bigger than any city in Chokelahoma

You were only incorrect on one out of five - that is better than usual.

FYI - OKC: 594.000, Tulsa 309.000
San Diego 1,300,000 San Jose 1,000,000, Bakersfield 368,000 Stockton 302,000, Ontario, 169,000

Took less than five minutes to find with Google.

and to be fair I didn't think Oklahoma City was the name of an actual city.

New York City is also an actual City, as is Jersey City, and Virginia City (although it is Nevada),

 

[Sports Enthusiast]

You were only incorrect on one out of five - that is better than usual.

FYI - OKC: 594.000, Tulsa 309.000
San Diego 1,300,000 San Jose 1,000,000, Bakersfield 368,000 Stockton 302,000, Ontario, 169,000

Took less than five minutes to find with Google.



New York City is also an actual City, as is Jersey City, and Virginia City (although it is Nevada),

Well New York City is actually big. NY has a couple of cities bigger than OKC. No idea how they house a major pro team at that size. They may struggle post Durant/Westbrook. Not sure the Thunder fever will survive if the team is trash.

 

[Captain Crash]

NY has a couple of cities bigger than OKC.

One. The state of New York has one (1) city that is bigger than OKC, and that would be New York City.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_New_York