GDT: New Jersey Devils vs Chicago Blackhawks - M*A*S*H Part 2 / 7:00 PM MSG+

[Devilsgrl35]

Kinkaid not only looked great, he looked confident. Very impressed with him.

 

[njdevil26]

I know everyone is bagging on Ryder and rightfully so for his production, he needs to bury those chances.

Everyone seems to forget sure goal he saved back checking on that 2 on 1. You never saw that from him last year. This is an area where I've seen the most improvement from him, he's been much more responsible in our own end. I the end though he's a sniper brought in to score so yeah he's been sucking lately.

It's really going to take much more than a single example to exonerate Ryder from the fact that he was brought here to score goals and he is not doing that.

 

[Missionhockey]

Josefson hasn't been great lately, but last night he just got eaten up

He is a nice guy to have for this team as a filler, but it's at that point now where we can't expect much from him

He'll make a great play or two, blow by a guy but otherwise remains invisible on a nightly basis when he's in. He had a great start to his season this year those first few games, but he's been back to what we've been used to with him

He's got really terrible offensive instincts. At this point, I'm not sure if it's because he's always looking to make the safe play or he really doesn't see any other options. I was at the game last night and I remember there was a time where Josefson had the puck along the wall in the offensive and Bernier was coming down the middle banging his stick. Bernier might have had a good chance but Josefson dumped it in the corner.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

Josefson hasn't been great lately, but last night he just got eaten up

He is a nice guy to have for this team as a filler, but it's at that point now where we can't expect much from him

He'll make a great play or two, blow by a guy but otherwise remains invisible on a nightly basis when he's in. He had a great start to his season this year those first few games, but he's been back to what we've been used to with him

I think calling him "invisible" is nuts. He might be THE best player on the Devils at getting the puck into the zone with control. When he's on the ice, the puck moves in the right direction, and it's one of the few times I don't expect the Devils to resort to chipping the puck in after 3 failed passes through the neutral zone.

He's got all the makings of a good depth player, good speed, good hands, good vision, good passing, he just can't seem to put it all together in a way that leads to goals scored. But he's been one of NJ's best possession forwards this season, and it's because his skating and passing help create strong breakouts, which lead to offensive zone time and momentum.

 

[RNCDevil]

He's got really terrible offensive instincts. At this point, I'm not sure if it's because he's always looking to make the safe play or he really doesn't see any other options. I was at the game last night and I remember there was a time where Josefson had the puck along the wall in the offensive and Bernier was coming down the middle banging his stick. Bernier might have had a good chance but Josefson dumped it in the corner.

I remember that moment and I remember thinking the same thing. He's really lost whatever spark might have been there. He's a hard skating, checking forward at this point. He's good on the PK and that's going to be his role. You wish a first rounder would do more for you. The first round since 2005 has been Bergfors, Corrente, Boo, Jake, Matteau, and Larsson. Larsson is TBD, but otherwise, lots of missess. Too many, frankly.

 

[RNCDevil]

Just reflecting on my last post. Holy cow, when you have no contributions from first rounders in a decade...yikes.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

He's got really terrible offensive instincts. At this point, I'm not sure if it's because he's always looking to make the safe play or he really doesn't see any other options. I was at the game last night and I remember there was a time where Josefson had the puck along the wall in the offensive and Bernier was coming down the middle banging his stick. Bernier might have had a good chance but Josefson dumped it in the corner.

Josefson would never get a chance under Deboer if he wasn't making the "safe play" all the time. Dano even praised him after that play, talking about how the Devils have been burned trying to make the tough passes instead of getting it in deep.

Maybe Josefson makes that pass 75% of the time. But if this time happened to fall in that other 25%, it's a rush the other way and then he's scratched next game.

 

[Missionhockey]

Josefson would never get a chance under Deboer if he wasn't making the "safe play" all the time. Dano even praised him after that play, talking about how the Devils have been burned trying to make the tough passes instead of getting it in deep.

Maybe Josefson makes that pass 75% of the time. But if this time happened to fall in that other 25%, it's a rush the other way and then he's scratched next game.

That's not true, he gives Severson a pretty decent leash and there are times he's made a few risky plays.

 

[Hockey Sports Fan]

That's not true, he gives Severson a pretty decent leash and there are times he's made a few risky plays.

If you think Deboer treats Severson and Josefson the same, I don't know what to tell you. Severson is a young guy who's "still learning" and has "been asked to do a lot." He had a lucky streak of goals to start the season, which cemented him as "good" in Deboer's mind. He DOES have a long leash. Josefson doesn't, Larsson doesn't, Gelinas doesn't, even though none of them cough the puck up as often as Ryder, Zidlicky, Havlat, or even Elias and Henrique this season.

It's a lack of accountability, and you're kidding yourself if you don't think the players notice. It's the biggest reason I think the Devils need a new coach. Deboer's saving grace was his system generated strong possession from mediocre teams, and that's evaporated this year. Hopefully he's not fired in time to turn the season around, ruin the pick, and still miss the playoffs.

 

[NJDevs26]

Gelinas HAS been progressively bad though (and not contributing as much offensively these days), and Josefson at his best is basically Zharkov. I can't even get on Pete for marginalizing the two of them anymore, both have had plenty of time to show something. I know Josefson has some positive attributes but you can only play a finesse forward that's a black hole offensively so much.

 

[JK3]

If you think Deboer treats Severson and Josefson the same, I don't know what to tell you. Severson is a young guy who's "still learning" and has "been asked to do a lot." He had a lucky streak of goals to start the season, which cemented him as "good" in Deboer's mind. He DOES have a long leash. Josefson doesn't, Larsson doesn't, Gelinas doesn't, even though none of them cough the puck up as often as Ryder, Zidlicky, Havlat, or even Elias and Henrique this season.

It's a lack of accountability, and you're kidding yourself if you don't think the players notice. It's the biggest reason I think the Devils need a new coach. Deboer's saving grace was his system generated strong possession from mediocre teams, and that's evaporated this year. Hopefully he's not fired in time to turn the season around, ruin the pick, and still miss the playoffs.

Bravo

 

[glenwo2]

Did anyone else notice how Dano was in the booth last night? There were like 4-5 times he just completely zoned out mid sentence and went silent and Steve had to find the words he was looking for haha.

Dano had trouble coming up with the term "Snow Shower". He only got the "Snow" right. And Steve was being coy in not helping him for a bit before finally providing the missing piece to Dano's puzzle.

 

[Cheddabombs]

Just looking it up, Severson leads the entire team with 75.5 minutes (although Zids is close with 74.4) of powerplay time... Absolutely insane for him, while he's shown he's decent offensively it's outrageous how much more PP time he gets than Gelinas (43.75 minutes). Even with the difference in games Severson is still averaging 2.6, while Gelinas only 1.9, per game. It may not be that much but for a guy who's here for his offense primarily how do you justify not giving him more powerplay time?

I'm all for giving Severson plenty of 5 on 5 time, he's played well enough to earn it and play through the mistakes he makes. But adding on that amount of powerplay time is asking way too much of him. Give him 2nd string time, even 3rd string if necessary, on the powerplay but no more of this 1st unit stuff. Give the guy who's brought in to provide offense a chance to actually do that, instead of giving him the last 40 seconds of the powerplay where we're stuck in the neutral zone for most of that because our zone entry is ****.

 

[Missionhockey]

If you think Deboer treats Severson and Josefson the same, I don't know what to tell you. Severson is a young guy who's "still learning" and has "been asked to do a lot." He had a lucky streak of goals to start the season, which cemented him as "good" in Deboer's mind. He DOES have a long leash. Josefson doesn't, Larsson doesn't, Gelinas doesn't, even though none of them cough the puck up as often as Ryder, Zidlicky, Havlat, or even Elias and Henrique this season.

It's a lack of accountability, and you're kidding yourself if you don't think the players notice. It's the biggest reason I think the Devils need a new coach. Deboer's saving grace was his system generated strong possession from mediocre teams, and that's evaporated this year. Hopefully he's not fired in time to turn the season around, ruin the pick, and still miss the playoffs.

This is BS if I've ever heard of it. Severson has played big minutes against top competition and come out of it fairly well. The points are secondary. Josefson is a guy who isn't physical and doesn't have great offensive talent. He's not going to produce well in the top six and when he's in the bottom six he's not physical enough. The two forwards you mentioned, Ryder and Havlat, as bad as they've been, are still better offensive players than Josefson! Severson and Josefson totally different situations because one player is miles ahead of the other.

And for all the good things Gelinas does, he still has a tendency to get burned. He got street coned by a 3rd liner on Washington. Neither Gelinas, nor Josefson have shown that they are as reliable as Severson has been so far.

I get the frustration with DeBoer, the team is losing, but how does anybody honestly think a coaching change is going to magically make everything better?

 

[Missionhockey]

Just looking it up, Severson leads the entire team with 75.5 minutes (although Zids is close with 74.4) of powerplay time... Absolutely insane for him, while he's shown he's decent offensively it's outrageous how much more PP time he gets than Gelinas (43.75 minutes). Even with the difference in games Severson is still averaging 2.6, while Gelinas only 1.9, per game. It may not be that much but for a guy who's here for his offense primarily how do you justify not giving him more powerplay time?

I'm all for giving Severson plenty of 5 on 5 time, he's played well enough to earn it and play through the mistakes he makes. But adding on that amount of powerplay time is asking way too much of him. Give him 2nd string time, even 3rd string if necessary, on the powerplay but no more of this 1st unit stuff. Give the guy who's brought in to provide offense a chance to actually do that, instead of giving him the last 40 seconds of the powerplay where we're stuck in the neutral zone for most of that because our zone entry is ****.

Gelinas has a much better shot, I don't think anyone will argue that, but I think skating and vision go to Severson. Gelinas is more of a trigger man, they probably look at Severson to do more quarterbacking. Just my opinion.

 

[Wingman77]

I think calling him "invisible" is nuts. He might be THE best player on the Devils at getting the puck into the zone with control. When he's on the ice, the puck moves in the right direction, and it's one of the few times I don't expect the Devils to resort to chipping the puck in after 3 failed passes through the neutral zone.

He's got all the makings of a good depth player, good speed, good hands, good vision, good passing, he just can't seem to put it all together in a way that leads to goals scored. But he's been one of NJ's best possession forwards this season, and it's because his skating and passing help create strong breakouts, which lead to offensive zone time and momentum.

I would love to be out on the ice against Josefson because I'd know what he's doing every time and if you watch how the other team reacts to him when he is carrying the puck into the offensive zone, they seem to love it just as much.

He'll grab the puck in our D zone starting to cut up the middle of the ice only to wind up going wide with it and either dumps it into the zone, takes it around the back of the net, or loses it from having pressure from the opposing forward covering him and the opposing defensemen, which we saw last night; two instances of which he wound up just getting tossed down.

He did it multiple times last night and it was mind boggling that he could continue to do the same thing each time only to have the same result. He's not a dumb player either, he's shown that which makes it even more odd.

This is what I'm talking about;

He's too predictable and it's on too consistent of a basis.

 

[Wingman77]

The worst part is I type just his name into youtube and all these results of him getting rocked come up from doing exactly what I'm saying about him never using the middle of the ice, always going wide or having a forward and defensemen both on him from doing so





and yes a goal was eventually scored here later in the play, but it's the same thing, he grabs the puck, goes wide and gets rocked/loses the puck

 

[Cheddabombs]

Gelinas has a much better shot, I don't think anyone will argue that, but I think skating and vision go to Severson. Gelinas is more of a trigger man, they probably look at Severson to do more quarterbacking. Just my opinion.

Understandable, and I'd agree with the move if Severson was a veteran. But asking a 20 year old rookie to play top minutes 5 on 5 and top powerplay minutes (I can't access PK minutes but he doesn't get too many of those anyway) is a bit much. He's good and has responded well, but I can't help but think they'd be better off limiting his minutes. But he's good enough 5 on 5 to warrant the minutes he gets so it should come from the powerplay, where he's not as effective. Gelinas' shot is good enough that team's will pay extra attention to him and maybe create more room for our slugs up front to do something.

I'd run Gelinas-Greene as the first unit and Zidlicky-Severson as the 2nd. Maybe mix in Merrill a bit as well.

 

[Richer's Ghost]

ok, we're getting off the game last night and more into team discussion. please continue there.