Player Discussion Neal Pionk: Part II

[ManUtdTobbe]

I didn't say he's an all star. He's been playing well, and it's very early in the season. I do not agree at all that he has been "bleeding" anything, and I think terms like that are just a bunch of BS.

And yes, just because you don't care about ADA v. Pionk, a lot of the rabbling is exactly about that, and it clouds every discussion.

Me saying that he's bleeding shots against isn't a subjective opinion, it's objetive facts. We have objective data provided by NHL.com and NHLs own play-by-play telling us that Pionk is indeed bleeding shots against… You can argue that it's not his fault or that it doesn't matter for X or Y reason but you can't argue the fact that he's bleeding shots against.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Me saying that he's bleeding shots against isn't a subjective opinion, it's objetive facts. We have objective data provided by NHL.com and NHLs own play-by-play telling us that Pionk is indeed bleeding shots against… You can argue that it's not his fault or that it doesn't matter for X or Y reason but you can't argue the fact that he's bleeding shots against.

What is "bleeding shots" ?

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I responded to two things you said.

The new generation will survive my comment. Humanity shall prevail.

You're just a condescending asshat who is threatened by things you don't understand. Read up on it and argue against it.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

What is "bleeding shots" ?

It's conceding lots of shots against

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Argue against how we interpret the data but come on, be smart enough to not argue against the objective data itself unless you have proof it's unreliable.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

You're just a condescending asshat who is threatened by things you don't understand. Read up on it and argue against it.

Let him answer for himself.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Argue against how we interpret the data but come on, be smart enough to not argue against the objective data itself unless you have proof it's unreliable.

Who is WE. Wtf are you talking about We?

Anyway, I'm asking what "bleeding shots" means to you. Unless you are incapable of anything but circular logic.

 

[haohmaru]

It's conceding lots of shots against

True - but he's also on pace for a 50 point season - which means that he's taking risks and being somewhat successful taking those risks. He's also playing 1st pairing (ATOI 22+) minutes despite being a greenhorn with 40 NHL games under his belt. "Bleeding shots" should be somewhat expected given his style of play and what he's being asked to do.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

True - but he's also on pace for a 50 point season - which means that he's taking risks and being somewhat successful taking those risks. He's also playing 1st pairing (ATOI 22+) minutes despite being a greenhorn with 40 NHL games under his belt. "Bleeding shots" should be somewhat expected given his style of play and what he's being asked to do.

f*** dude...

I just asked him to give some explanation besides copy and paste, and then you jump in spoon feeding him actual thoughts. Shame on you...

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Who is WE. Wtf are you talking about We?

Anyway, I'm asking what "bleeding shots" means to you. Unless you are incapable of anything but circular logic.

I told you what it means already, asshat.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

**** dude...

I just asked him to give some explanation besides copy and paste, and then you jump in spoon feeding him actual thoughts. Shame on you...

Haven't copy and pasted anything to you, you seem incapable of understanding anything i write to you.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I told you what it means already, asshat.

Yes you regurgitated the definition with no follow up.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Haven't copy and pasted anything to you, you seem incapable of understanding anything i write to you.

In all fairness to copy and paste, you are correct that you have presented nothing so far.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Yes you regurgitated the definition with no follow up.

Bleeding shots means he's giving up a lot more shots then the average Ranger does on a /60 basis. Not sure how that's so hard to understand, but oh well, guess ur just not that clever.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Bleeding shots means he's giving up a lot more shots then the average Ranger does on a /60 basis. Not sure how that's so hard to understand, but oh well, guess ur just not that clever.

This is a definition [i.e copy-paste].

True - but he's also on pace for a 50 point season - which means that he's taking risks and being somewhat successful taking those risks. He's also playing 1st pairing (ATOI 22+) minutes despite being a greenhorn with 40 NHL games under his belt. "Bleeding shots" should be somewhat expected given his style of play and what he's being asked to do.

This is context/analysis, and I happen to agree with this poster, hence when I previously mentioned Pionk's "realized results and net positive effect on the team so far".

So when looked at in context he's not bleeding anything. More importantly in a rebuild with many players with very few NHL games under the belt and a team shiftiest strategy and team identity every few games, context for these stats have never been more important.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

This is a definition [i.e copy-paste].



This is context/analysis, and I happen to agree with this, hence when I previously mentioned Pionk's "realized results and net positive effect on the team so far".

So when looked at in context he's not bleeding anything. More importantly in a rebuild with many players with very few NHL games under the belt and a team shiftiest strategy and team identity every few games, context for these stats have never been more important.

I've given context/analysis on WHY he's bleeding shots, you're the one who asked what it meant, hence why i told you what bleeding shots means. When looking at it in a context he is indeed bleeding shots. The reasons why is that he's bad at defending the blueline because of a lacking gap Control and because he doesn't move the puck well at all under pressure, instead he gives the puck away by tossing it up the wall.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I've given context/analysis on WHY he's bleeding shots, you're the one who asked what it meant, hence why i told you what bleeding shots means. When looking at it in a context he is indeed bleeding shots. The reasons why is that he's bad at defending the blueline because of a lacking gap Control and because he doesn't move the puck well at all under pressure, instead he gives the puck away by tossing it up the wall.

See you just keep regurgitating this stuff, and I disagree with it too.

He looked to be shaking in his boots when he roasted the Habs from end to end.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

See you just keep regurgitating this stuff, and I disagree with it too.

He looked to be shaking in his boots when he roasted the Habs from end to end.

Because you're too thick to take it in.

His end-to-end goal against Habs has what exactly to do with his defensive play? You must be trolling.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Because you're too thick to take it in.

His end-to-end goal against Habs has what exactly to do with his defensive play? You must be trolling.

It has to do with his apprehensive play with the puck you referred to without evidence or answering my question about his positive net impact on the team.

The reasons why is that he's bad at defending the blueline because of a lacking gap Control and because he doesn't move the puck well at all under pressure, instead he gives the puck away by tossing it up the wall.

Think of it like this, not only do I disagree with you in other plays besides his end to end rush, but winning a puck battle deep in his zone , looping around and spinning off a fore check, and carrying it far west then east across the net past two defenders doesn't exactly support the notion the said player is nervous or bad under pressure to say the least.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Whatever, i'm done, can't deal with you. Have a nice day.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Whatever, i'm done, can't deal with you. Have a nice day.

And still no actual answer. I rest my case to the lurkers.

Viva la Pionk!

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

And still no actual answer. I rest my case to the lurkers.

Viva la Pionk!

Jesus f***ing Christ you're arrogant.

 

[duhmetreE]

Bleeding shots means he's giving up a lot more shots then the average Ranger does on a /60 basis. Not sure how that's so hard to understand, but oh well, guess ur just not that clever.

What metric are you using?

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

What metric are you using?

Rel and RelT CA/60 and FA/60 is what i'm currently looking at.

 

[duhmetreE]

Rel and RelT CA/60 and FA/60 is what i'm currently looking at.

I'm no expert but his CA isn't the anomaly as you've mentioned. His CF is .