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Three teams passed on Jones because defence men don't tend to go as high as forwards with a similar pedigree.Mack will be a fantastic player but Jones made more sense at the draft.
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Three teams passed on Jones because defence men don't tend to go as high as forwards with a similar pedigree.Mack will be a fantastic player but Jones made more sense at the draft.
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How not? Drouin did exactly that and has worse numbers depsite having every opportunity to play with Stamkos yet no one makes a fuss about him. MacKinnon has no wingers, probably not even teammates as talented as him on the Avalanche, yet this thread was made.
He's mainly on the third pairing because he can be. It's easier for him to play his natural side while he keeps learning the game "sheltered" on the third pair. It's the most logical place for him right now. He actually played first pairing minutes with Weber near the beginning of last season as a rookie when Josi got concussed and he wasn't exactly awful in his time there.
Yep. Both he and Jones are young and will continue to develop into solid players.
It seems like people think every young hockey players development is linear. It's not. There's going to be ups and downs with everyone, and MacKinnon is no different. This is HF though and no one on here has any patience.
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That and the MacKinnon has no wingers part.
I said wingers as talented as he, Landeskog, Iginla and ROR are the best wingers on that team and he's clearly more talented than them. Drouin has Stamkos and still couldn't hold up, up to this point.
Colorado Forwards by PDO (hint: those 3 players have the 3 lowest PDOs)
Colorado Forwards by Shot Differential (hint: those 3 players are 3 of the top 4 Avalanche forwards)
PDO explained
TLDR; those 3 players have nothing to do with the Avalanche underachieving. Varlamov has **** the bed when Landeskrog/O'Reilly are on the ice, and MacKinnon's on-ice sh% has dropped from "a goal every 10.4 shots" to "a goal every 16 shots".
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Why is it that every single year after a draft, the guy who ended up going #1 is suddenly consensus #1? I've seen it for MacKinnon, Yakupov, and Nugent-Hopkins recently and all of those guys had serious competition and disagreements as to whether they would go first.
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Didn't all three of those players outscore MacKinnon last year? Must be tough playing with such talentless hacks.
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Yeah, I meant "tendency".. I was actually thinking about that right after I finished my post but I just decided to let it be. Still learning my English in a process, I´m an European and I rarely use EN in my personal life..
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He had such a good career up to this point. His age has caught up with him and is now on the decline.
smh.
smh.
Well, pretty much everything in this post is inaccurate. He's been a healthy scratch because TB is rotating forwards into the lineup, which for whatever reason involves Drouin. That rotation happens regardless of the player's performance. Drouin had an assist in each of his last two games, one of them pretty breath-taking, and found himself scratched last night.
He's been pretty outstanding when he's played, but is being given very little opportunity. There hasn't been much "poor performance" to speak of, and you won't find anyone who'll say otherwise. This is just what Jon Cooper does with young players, and it's frustrating to say the least.
Drouin got his opportunity with Stamkos because we had injuries. The moment we healed up, he was demoted. Since then, no LW has looked good with Stamkos, and Stamkos himself is having a sub-par season. Kucherov was in the same boat until injuries struck. Palat and Johnson, last year's calder candidates, didn't get their chance in a scoring role until Stamkos broke his leg.
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The league has adjusted to his speed but he has not adjusted to the league. Last year he would catch a lot of teams by surprise, this year not so much. He has attempted to adjust by button hooking after he enters the zone, but this generally doesn't work. The Avs also have terrible zone entries, no one really breaks free for passes. Instead, the puck carrier is typically shadowed by his own teammate, while another forward sort of hangs out in coverage.
For a team with Duchene and MacKinnon, two of the fastest players in the game, they sure do like to stall them out.
It also doesn't help that ROR and Landeskog are playing like 3rd liners right now. Both are contributing to the Avs lacklustre season much more so than a sophmore MacKinnon.
For a team with Duchene and MacKinnon, two of the fastest players in the game, they sure do like to stall them out.
It also doesn't help that ROR and Landeskog are playing like 3rd liners right now. Both are contributing to the Avs lacklustre season much more so than a sophmore MacKinnon.
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No one but you is claiming them as talentless hacks here. They just aren't as talented as him. And just cause they put up a better stat line doesn't mean they're more talented. Talent is potential, not just ability. The only forwards on that team to ever hold talent close to MacKinnon's are Iginla (may have had more) and Duchene. Iginla can't play like he once could but he's still a good winger on his line. Duchene won't play with MacKinnon unless MacKinnon plays on his wing.
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Thanks for the stats. I wouldn't say nothing. ROR could win a puck battle or play the body once in a while, Landy could not hit the post 5 feet in front of the net and MacKinnon could use his speed and not take a shot from as far out as possible too. But MacKinnon's development and the Avs season are not really related issues.
Again, it's pretty clear you haven't watched or even been following all that closely. You'll have a hard time finding someone who's watched the games who agrees with that.
This is Cooper's philosophy with rookies. They have to pay their dues for the sake of paying their dues.
The team took too big of a step backwards when they lost Stastny and gave his money to Iginla. Iggy was a great player earlier in his career but he's not really cut out for the modern NHL with its tight systems that rely on all 5 guys being where they're supposed to be all the time. When Calgary traded Iginla they began their transformation into a hard working, never say die kind of team. Iginla and Tanguay were had a sense of entitlement to them in Calgary and I think their inconsistent efforts and lack of attention to detail is rubbing off on Colorado.
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