With a big contract as well, i don’t want him with that contract at all even for free. If they retained 50% I’d talk about giving them a 3rd or maybe even 2nd at most. I haven’t followed him at all lately and don’t really know how he’s been doing.
Fair enough. This being hfboards, I understand theres some posters that value cap space and draft picks over proven NHL talent and think any prime aged talent signed until 32+ above a 3M cap hit is instantly negative value unless they are top 30 in their position. As to your offer of 50% retained on Schmidt for a 3rd, I'm sure every other team in the NHL would outbid that.
You're a little off on the protection, Severson will be protected along with Siegenthaler. One of Butcher or PK will be left exposed, probably Butcher. PK has played well enough and NJ doesn't have a lot of options on the right side.
LD is probably one spot where we don't need very much. Obviously there are Smith and Siegenthaler, then Kevin Bahl has played in his first two NHL games and looks like he can play at this level. In the AHL we have Okhotiuk who is probably ready next year. Longer term Vukojovic has looked quite good in the AHL, we just spent a 1st round pick on Mukhamadullin, Misyul is progressing in Russia, and there's a decent chance we walk away from the 2021 entry draft with another 1st round LD.
I'm guessing if Butcher is seletcted, Fitz will go out and look for a cheap 1 year deal for a LD in case one of the kids stumbles, but I don't really see that happening.
RD is a little more of a problem, short term we've got Severson and PK, but no good third pair option, then long term we've only got Walsh and Case McCarthy in the system. We're hoping for Brandt Clarke in the draft (some of us, anyway) but either way I think Fitz will add a RD for next season.
I don't think the club is in position to trade 1st round picks for 30 year old players, and would probably prefer guys that are signed for 1-2 years over guys that have 4 years remaining.
Ahh wasn't sure how Devils fans viewed Butcher nowadays. Also didn't realize NJ also had such an abundance of LHD in the system too. Schmidt definitely wouldn't be a fit here unless your coach is okay with having LHD on the right side. Ours doesn't but since Schmidt is more proven there and we have no other options, he plays the right side. Also thought NJ may be looking to compete sooner, not in a couple years. Thanks for your input!
As an FYI. Fitz has been clear that he is not willing to acquire a 30 something with longer deal that could turn bad when the Devils are hopefully contending in a couple of years. He was discussing wings last offseason but I would think the same would apply to an older D. Would Schmidt make the Devils better next year - yes. Would I have any interest in acquiring him - no. He should go to a team that is looking to contend in 21-22 IMO.
Didn't know the GM had stated such. I also thought the Devils were looking to start competing in 2 years tops. Knowing they are further away than that, I agree, Schmidt doesn't fit the Devils plans.
Of course the problem is that none of those teams have cap space, which is exactly the reason you saw guys like Schmidt and Murray going for mid round picks last offseason.
In a league with a rising cap and more teams having some space, Schmidt probably gets a healthy return.
Exactly this. Or where a team (in this case the Canucks) aren't looking to dump him because they need cap space like Vegas did in order to sign a better player. We have other options without having to sell Schmidt to make room for Petey and Hughes's extensions. As a fan, I don't see this team competing for at least 2 years just like our idiot GM has said. So Schmidt will be 31-32 by then. It would make more sense to sell him and gain assets to try and create a longer window when our time comes given he's one of our few assets worth anything.
Your ask is too high a first is too much for a guy you got for a third....He's a good character player good fit there but that contract and his age doesn't fit our timeline imo
Previous acquisition cost has no barring on current player value. Especially if you add the context as to why he was available for only a 3rd. Vegas would have never sold him that cheaply if Pietrangelo hadn't agreed on a deal. See my reference to Gustav Forsling. He was picked up on waivers by Florida 4 months ago in January. See if they would give him up for even a 3rd today.
Schmidt is overpaid, aging and frankly not good enough to warrant any sort of return when a cap strapped team is trying to ship him out. If you think he is returning anything of value your either delusional or overly optimistic that some team gets absolutely fleeced.
How is Schmidt overpaid? He's making 6M for arguments sake. He's being deployed as a shutdown d-man compared to the offensive dman he was deployed as in his previous years with Vegas. He has 19% less offensive zone starts at 5 on 5, yet his offenisve metrics have only taken a 3-5% hit. his SV% has actually gone up. he's on pace to put up close to his career avg in points too. He's a 29 point dman over 82 games in his career prior to coming to Vancouver. He's on pace for 24 points in 82 games this year. I'll concede that with the eye test, he hasn't looked like a top 2 d-man like he did for Vegas the last year, but he has still been a solid top 4 dman. If he's overpaid its by max 1M. The Canucks are also not trying to ship him out as you are saying. I'm probably 1 of few, who are looking to move him. That has nothing to do with his play or cap hit, moreso his handedness and age and the fact hes probably the only player besides Miller that we have over the age of 25 thats worth anything. Only reason I'm not making Miller proposals is because we already lack offense and that in 2 years time, he still fits our window as he will be 30. with a few years left to give.