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noticed y'all only have 2 d-men worth protecting in butcher and severson. Was wondering if NJ would have any interest in Schmidt? He's 29 and a LHD. Even though he plays the right side, the Canucks have too many LHD with Rathbone, Tryamkin and Juolevi looking for full time NHL roles next season.

Or are you guys happy with Murray and plan on bringing him back?
 

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I think we hope to bring Murray back - but for sure Fitz is looking to make a deal before the entry draft. Our real need is on the right side, as Subban is gone after this year (if Seattle doesn't take him) and we only really have Severson and maybe Walsh in the pipeline.... so maybe him playing on the right is a good fit. I don't know much about Schmidt and his skillset. We're probably looking for stable, D-first guys as opposed to puck movers.


What would the ask be?
 

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No thank you, he’s turning 30 this summer and has 4 more years at just under 6 million. If there was 1-2 years left on that contract I’d be interested but still wouldn’t want to give up too much.

Also we traded for Siegenthaler with the expansion draft in mind so I think he’s more likely to be protected than Butcher. There’s a good number of people who don’t think Butchers worth protecting and he doesn’t really seem to fit in this team anymore with the emergence of Smith.
Subban is probably gonna be protected too even with the big contract because he has been good lately and is kind of a leader on the team. It’s between him and Butcher and I’d guess that Butcher is left exposed. We could resign Murray who would probably go on our lists or we could sign someone else to a 1-2 year deal in free agency.
 
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I think we hope to bring Murray back - but for sure Fitz is looking to make a deal before the entry draft. Our real need is on the right side, as Subban is gone after this year (if Seattle doesn't take him) and we only really have Severson and maybe Walsh in the pipeline.... so maybe him playing on the right is a good fit. I don't know much about Schmidt and his skillset. We're probably looking for stable, D-first guys as opposed to puck movers.


What would the ask be?
We have actually deployed him as a shutdown defender even though in his career he's been always used as an OFD looking at underlying stats. With that said, his offensive stats have only taken a 3-5% dip even though he went from a 50% offensive zone start, to 31%. His offensive metrics are all around 48-50% still. Personally I'd be looking for a potential top 4 RHD or a late 1st in terms of value. He's been decent for us and its not like we need to move him. Just my personal preference as he's one of the only players we have with with positive value over the age of 26. We also have way too many LHD and could use the cap space. I know you guys have Smith and Butcher on the left side so it may be too pricey, but he does play the right side. Probably has played the right side more than the left in his career, so if you dont have an abundance of LHD, you could swap him back and forth on either side depending on injuries/depth. Canucks have 5-6 LHD so it'd be nice to recoup some assets, free up cap space, and sign a cheap RHD like Hamonic or Schenn to play with Hughes and just live with Myers in our top 4 given our cap issues. That way we have 4-5 LHD (Hughes/Tryamkin/Juolevi/Rathbone and Edler if brought back) and Rathbone can just over marinate in the AHL while we give Tryamkin a chance at the NHL.

4th round pick is all I would offer.
Right where else are you going to get a top 4 D signed to a market value contract (pre-covid) maybe overpaid by 500k-1M max in a covid market (brodie got 5M, Krug got 6.5M) for a 4th? just because Columbus gave one that spends more time on IR than playing to you guys for a 5th doesn't mean others come that cheap too. Would you trade Severson for a 4th?
 

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Right where else are you going to get a top 4 D signed to a market value contract (pre-covid) maybe overpaid by 500k-1M max in a covid market (brodie got 5M, Krug got 6.5M) for a 4th? just because Columbus gave one that spends more time on IR than playing to you guys for a 5th doesn't mean others come that cheap too. Would you trade Severson for a 4th?
Murray only missed time due to Covid. He hasnt been injured at all this season.

If you dont like the value of a 4th for Schmidt, look elsewhere. He was traded for a 3rd in the prior offseason and is now almost a year older. He certainly hasn't increased his value.

If you want a 3rd, retain 50% of his contract.
 
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Murray only missed time due to Covid. He hasnt been injured at all this season.

If you dont like the value of a 4th for Schmidt, look elsewhere. He was traded for a 3rd in the prior offseason and is now almost a year older. He certainly hasn't increased his value.

If you want a 3rd, retain 50% of his contract.
Prior to the trade Murray had missed more games than played in his career. How does what he’s done post trade affect what I said as to why Columbus traded him?

so wanna give the Canucks your 1st for juolevi? He was a 5th overall pick after all and that seems to be your basis of logic without using context.

Ask Florida if they’d give you forsling for a 5th given that they claimed him off waivers just a couple months ago. Surely that isn’t enough time to develop more value than just a mid round pick
 

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so wanna give the Canucks your 1st for juolevi? He was a 5th overall pick after all and that seems to be your basis of logic without using context.
No. We will give you the Islanders 1st for Brock Boeser. You get the late 1st that you want and you keep Schmidt. Win-win.
 

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No. We will give you the Islanders 1st for Brock Boeser. You get the late 1st that you want and you keep Schmidt. Win-win.
Instead of derailing this thread, I’m actually just going to ignore you as you’ve made it clear you’re evaluation on players if way off base and you’ve shown you aren’t willing to explain or discuss how you came to your evaluations. That just ends any chance at any conversation that could be had.
 
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Instead of derailing this thread, I’m actually just going to ignore you as you’ve made it clear you’re evaluation on players if way off base and you’ve shown you aren’t willing to explain or discuss how you came to your evaluations. That just ends any chance at any conversation that could be had.
My evaluations are way off base?

You asking a team in rebuild to pay a late 1st for a 30 year old overpaid defenseman that doesnt fit the current timeline for a young Devils team that might be 3-4 years away before they are ready to contend.

No. Just No.
 
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My evaluations are way off base?

You asking a team in rebuild to pay a late 1st for a 30 year old overpaid defenseman that doesnt fit the current timeline for a young Devils team that might be 3-4 years away before they are ready to contend.

No. Just No.
With a big contract as well, i don’t want him with that contract at all even for free. If they retained 50% I’d talk about giving them a 3rd or maybe even 2nd at most. I haven’t followed him at all lately and don’t really know how he’s been doing.
 
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Would you trade Severson for a 4th?
This is a stupid thing to say. Severson is younger, cheaper and better than him. Schmidt’s contract is not market value and there’s no chance of getting a first for him with that contract. It’s not a good contract thats likely to get worse as he probably declines going into his 30s. If you retained 50% or atleast a decent chunk you could talk to the right team about it. We aren’t that team it really wouldn’t make sense for us with where we are and what Fitz is trying to do.
 

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Vancouver need to dump Schmidt or another $6m type player to re-sign Elias and Quinn. Shedding Sutter and Edler's contract isnt going to be enough.
 
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noticed y'all only have 2 d-men worth protecting in butcher and severson. Was wondering if NJ would have any interest in Schmidt? He's 29 and a LHD. Even though he plays the right side, the Canucks have too many LHD with Rathbone, Tryamkin and Juolevi looking for full time NHL roles next season.

Or are you guys happy with Murray and plan on bringing him back?

You're a little off on the protection, Severson will be protected along with Siegenthaler. One of Butcher or PK will be left exposed, probably Butcher. PK has played well enough and NJ doesn't have a lot of options on the right side.

LD is probably one spot where we don't need very much. Obviously there are Smith and Siegenthaler, then Kevin Bahl has played in his first two NHL games and looks like he can play at this level. In the AHL we have Okhotiuk who is probably ready next year. Longer term Vukojovic has looked quite good in the AHL, we just spent a 1st round pick on Mukhamadullin, Misyul is progressing in Russia, and there's a decent chance we walk away from the 2021 entry draft with another 1st round LD.

I'm guessing if Butcher is seletcted, Fitz will go out and look for a cheap 1 year deal for a LD in case one of the kids stumbles, but I don't really see that happening.

RD is a little more of a problem, short term we've got Severson and PK, but no good third pair option, then long term we've only got Walsh and Case McCarthy in the system. We're hoping for Brandt Clarke in the draft (some of us, anyway) but either way I think Fitz will add a RD for next season.

I don't think the club is in position to trade 1st round picks for 30 year old players, and would probably prefer guys that are signed for 1-2 years over guys that have 4 years remaining.
 

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Prior to the trade Murray had missed more games than played in his career. How does what he’s done post trade affect what I said as to why Columbus traded him?

so wanna give the Canucks your 1st for juolevi? He was a 5th overall pick after all and that seems to be your basis of logic without using context.

Ask Florida if they’d give you forsling for a 5th given that they claimed him off waivers just a couple months ago. Surely that isn’t enough time to develop more value than just a mid round pick
As an FYI. Fitz has been clear that he is not willing to acquire a 30 something with longer deal that could turn bad when the Devils are hopefully contending in a couple of years. He was discussing wings last offseason but I would think the same would apply to an older D. Would Schmidt make the Devils better next year - yes. Would I have any interest in acquiring him - no. He should go to a team that is looking to contend in 21-22 IMO.
 

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As an FYI. Fitz has been clear that he is not willing to acquire a 30 something with longer deal that could turn bad when the Devils are hopefully contending in a couple of years. He was discussing wings last offseason but I would think the same would apply to an older D. Would Schmidt make the Devils better next year - yes. Would I have any interest in acquiring him - no. He should go to a team that is looking to contend in 21-22 IMO.

Of course the problem is that none of those teams have cap space, which is exactly the reason you saw guys like Schmidt and Murray going for mid round picks last offseason.

In a league with a rising cap and more teams having some space, Schmidt probably gets a healthy return.
 

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Of course the problem is that none of those teams have cap space, which is exactly the reason you saw guys like Schmidt and Murray going for mid round picks last offseason.

In a league with a rising cap and more teams having some space, Schmidt probably gets a healthy return.
Murray with 1 year left is a lot different situation than Schmidt with 4. Cap space is an assert despite what some Devils HFB posters think.
 

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Oh god no

He’s an even worse version of the current Subban.
 

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We have actually deployed him as a shutdown defender even though in his career he's been always used as an OFD looking at underlying stats. With that said, his offensive stats have only taken a 3-5% dip even though he went from a 50% offensive zone start, to 31%. His offensive metrics are all around 48-50% still. Personally I'd be looking for a potential top 4 RHD or a late 1st in terms of value. He's been decent for us and its not like we need to move him. Just my personal preference as he's one of the only players we have with with positive value over the age of 26. We also have way too many LHD and could use the cap space. I know you guys have Smith and Butcher on the left side so it may be too pricey, but he does play the right side. Probably has played the right side more than the left in his career, so if you dont have an abundance of LHD, you could swap him back and forth on either side depending on injuries/depth. Canucks have 5-6 LHD so it'd be nice to recoup some assets, free up cap space, and sign a cheap RHD like Hamonic or Schenn to play with Hughes and just live with Myers in our top 4 given our cap issues. That way we have 4-5 LHD (Hughes/Tryamkin/Juolevi/Rathbone and Edler if brought back) and Rathbone can just over marinate in the AHL while we give Tryamkin a chance at the NHL.

Right where else are you going to get a top 4 D signed to a market value contract (pre-covid) maybe overpaid by 500k-1M max in a covid market (brodie got 5M, Krug got 6.5M) for a 4th? just because Columbus gave one that spends more time on IR than playing to you guys for a 5th doesn't mean others come that cheap too. Would you trade Severson for a 4th?

Your ask is too high a first is too much for a guy you got for a third....He's a good character player good fit there but that contract and his age doesn't fit our timeline imo
 

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Instead of derailing this thread, I’m actually just going to ignore you as you’ve made it clear you’re evaluation on players if way off base and you’ve shown you aren’t willing to explain or discuss how you came to your evaluations. That just ends any chance at any conversation that could be had.
Schmidt is overpaid, aging and frankly not good enough to warrant any sort of return when a cap strapped team is trying to ship him out. If you think he is returning anything of value your either delusional or overly optimistic that some team gets absolutely fleeced.
 

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Instead of derailing this thread, I’m actually just going to ignore you

Excuse me but you come on this board expecting agreement on such a crappy deal involving Nate Schmidt?

And you get on @Peter Sidorkiewicz 's case just 'cause he thinks Nate is not worth anything more than a 4th rounder?


You know what? Instead of derailing this thread, I'm actually going to ignore *YOU*. o_O

Have a pleasant day.
 

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noticed y'all only have 2 d-men worth protecting in butcher and severson. Was wondering if NJ would have any interest in Schmidt? He's 29 and a LHD. Even though he plays the right side, the Canucks have too many LHD with Rathbone, Tryamkin and Juolevi looking for full time NHL roles next season.

Or are you guys happy with Murray and plan on bringing him back?
Is Benning even looking to trade Schmidt? Is he really the type to guy to just have Hughes and kids lock down that side? (I feel like he wouldn’t but I’m not sure about that, particularly since the cap space is getting so tight.)

Did Schmidt maintain his 10 team no trade list? (The Devils might be on it as one of the few teams with cap space.)

And as others have said we actually numerous LD prospects so as well Smith so we might just go with stop gap solutions like Murray rather than spend assets for four years of Schmidt.
 
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