Player Discussion Nail Yakupov

[McAsuno]

Our PP isnt even all that bad. I dont know what people expect right now from it. We are right in the middle of the league.

Actually if Yak could contribute a few points on the PP like everyone else on the team we would have a top10 if not top5 PP.

I posted earlier he has the least PP on the whole team. Maybe Woodcroft should just stop playing him there then our PP could be Top 10.

Dam now its Woodcrofts fault Yak is such a terrible hockey player.

The PP may be in the middle of the league but is that still an excuse to play the likes of Letestu and Korpi on it? I know Gordon was on the oilers PP last year for faceoffs but immediately changed once the oilers won the draw. Letestu stays on it and he hasn't been a strong factor. His casual dumpins and random passes that leads to turnovers has killed lots of the recent PP's. I'm not gonna say they should put Yak on it, but what the hell is Woodcroft's excuse for not making this PP as strong as Krueger's who didn't have the same players as Woodcroft does. Even giftwrapping Schultz PP minutes after being a prime reason why the opposing player scores when he's on the ice absolutely makes no sense.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

The PP may be in the middle of the league but is that still an excuse to play the likes of Letestu and Korpi on it? I know Gordon was on the oilers PP last year for faceoffs but immediately changed once the oilers won the draw. Letestu stays on it and he hasn't been a strong factor. His casual dumpins and random passes that leads to turnovers has killed lots of the recent PP's. I'm not gonna say they should put Yak on it, but what the hell is Woodcroft's excuse for not making this PP as strong as Krueger's who didn't have the same players as Woodcroft does. Even giftwrapping Schultz PP minutes after being a prime reason why the opposing player scores when he's on the ice absolutely makes no sense.

Letestu is on the #1 pp to be a face off man and a right shot. We lack right shots in the entire lineup and its clear they want 2 right shots per unit to increase options. If we had a better player to put there we would but we dont.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

The PP may be in the middle of the league but is that still an excuse to play the likes of Letestu and Korpi on it? I know Gordon was on the oilers PP last year for faceoffs but immediately changed once the oilers won the draw. Letestu stays on it and he hasn't been a strong factor. His casual dumpins and random passes that leads to turnovers has killed lots of the recent PP's. I'm not gonna say they should put Yak on it, but what the hell is Woodcroft's excuse for not making this PP as strong as Krueger's who didn't have the same players as Woodcroft does. Even giftwrapping Schultz PP minutes after being a prime reason why the opposing player scores when he's on the ice absolutely makes no sense.

Also. Other teams that year were seeing the Schultz ran pp for the first time and didn't figure out how to defend against it in the short season.
What teams have learned that our personnel cough up the puck on the pp when pressured. Which teams now do to us

 

[McAsuno]

Letestu is on the #1 pp to be a face off man and a right shot. We lack right shots in the entire lineup and its clear they want 2 right shots per unit to increase options. If we had a better player to put there we would but we dont.

Even so, I'm not a fan of him on the PP. Great bottom 6 guy and PKer, but on the PP? Yuck.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Even so, I'm not a fan of him on the PP. Great bottom 6 guy and PKer, but on the PP? Yuck.

I'm not either but if the team wants to have 4 forwards on the pp.. Which makes sense with how bad most of our defense is offensively... There is no one else to put there until RNH is back

 

[McAsuno]

I'm not either but if the team wants to have 4 forwards on the pp.. Which makes sense with how bad most of our defense is offensively... There is no one else to put there until RNH is back

I personally dislike the damn one D on the PP on the blue line. As much as I don't mind Sekera, the way he hesitates on taking shots irritate me as much as I see number 19 on it. I miss Klefbom.

 

[Senor Catface]

I think yakupov will succeed in another organization. He's more of a flawed and inconsistent player than I would have thought but his momentum has been stripped away post mactavish hire.

It boils my blood that Mac T has a job in this organization.

 

[Tarus]

Letestu is on the #1 pp to be a face off man and a right shot. We lack right shots in the entire lineup and its clear they want 2 right shots per unit to increase options. If we had a better player to put there we would but we dont.

Any benefits gained by having a 2nd right shot on the top powerplay unit(along with a face off specialist), is nullified to a negative by having 4th line center out there. Letestu has his uses, but he doesn't have the puck skills, passing skills, or shooting skills to properly support the top unit, he doesn't even really have the size or grit to provide a solid net front presence.

The oilers have actually had success in the past with an all left shot powerplay too, there is no reason why they couldn't try it again. Regardless, sacrificing the negligible benefits of increased faceoff abilities while reducing some shooting options(on a team that doesn't do one timers, and can barely execute simple passes anyways) is preferable to putting out ineffective offensive players during increasingly rare powerplay opportunities.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Any benefits gained by having a 2nd right shot on the top powerplay unit(along with a face off specialist), is nullified to a negative by having 4th line center out there. Letestu has his uses, but he doesn't have the puck skills, passing skills, or shooting skills to properly support the top unit, he doesn't even really have the size or grit to provide a solid net front presence.

The oilers have actually had success in the past with an all left shot powerplay too, there is no reason why they couldn't try it again. Regardless, sacrificing the negligible benefits of increased faceoff abilities while reducing some shooting options(on a team that doesn't do one timers, and can barely execute simple passes anyways) is preferable to putting out ineffective offensive players during increasingly rare powerplay opportunities.

Who else on the team do we put there, are options are mostly worse than Letestu

 

[Tarus]

Who else on the team do we put there, are options are mostly worse than Letestu

Almost anyone else

Mclellan and crew seem fixated on creating chemistry and rolling with a 2 unit setup, but with PPs becoming so infrequent; they could really just stack the top unit and go for it every time instead of spreading the workload around. Throwing out 4th liners there is pretty clearly proving to be a failed strategy as it is, and team doesn't really have the depth(or even really the need) to have to inter-changable and balanced powerplay units right now.

 

[Replacement*]

We should of kept Eakins here because he had potential and was a young inexperienced coach that was getting screwed over by his GM?

Its a result business. Excuses in this league are only that.

What a ridiculous comparison.

One was the best in the world at his draft and agreed by 100's of scouts world wide in what is an exhaustive evaluation.

The other is a dimestore useless piece of AHL coach that the Center of the Universe, Toronto, figured was great because he was coaching the Marlies.

One has carefully determined value, that other made up value.

Ironically the tool, who isn't worth 10 cents, devalued the player, who was potentially worth millions.

The kind of things this org does to merit its 30th place perennial standing.


Finally, can anyone imagine Yakupovs real opinion on Eakins, this org, and how he's been coached and handled here? Anybody would figure this is the land of the fools.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Almost anyone else

Mclellan and crew seem fixated on creating chemistry and rolling with a 2 unit setup, but with PPs becoming so infrequent; they could really just stack the top unit and go for it every time instead of spreading the workload around. Throwing out 4th liners there is pretty clearly proving to be a failed strategy as it is, and team doesn't really have the depth(or even really the need) to have to inter-changable and balanced powerplay units right now.

Here is a list of forwards currently not being used on the pp. Hendricks, Korpikoski, Pakarainen, Kassian, Lander. Kassian is an option however i don't think he is ready for pp time yet.

 

[GMofOilers]

What a ridiculous comparison.

One was the best in the world at his draft and agreed by 100's of scouts world wide in what is an exhaustive evaluation.

The other is a dimestore useless piece of AHL coach that the Center of the Universe, Toronto, figured was great because he was coaching the Marlies.

One has carefully determined value, that other made up value.

Ironically the tool, who isn't worth 10 cents, devalued the player, who was potentially worth millions.

The kind of things this org does to merit its 30th place perennial standing.

For some reason I thought you would respond

All im saying its a results driven business, meaning no excuses.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

I mean we could load a top unit with
Hall, McDavid, Eberle
Sekera, Draisaitl and have a second unit of
Pouliot - Letestu - Purcell
Yakupov - Schultz

But then the other team just puts all their good penalty killers out against our #1 unit and we still don't score.

 

[GMofOilers]

Even so, I'm not a fan of him on the PP. Great bottom 6 guy and PKer, but on the PP? Yuck.

Hes got the 3rd most PP points on the team. So your not a fan of it that doesnt mean that it makes the most sense. Hes producing, thats why the coach has him on it.

 

[Replacement*]

For some reason I thought you would respond

All im saying its a results driven business, meaning no excuses.

Its a silly opinion. Some of the best teams in the league perennially benefit from such assumptive conclusion.

Alternately, chances are players that were once great, are probably still great given the right situation.

To wit stocking shelves with players like Carter, Williams, Lucic, Gaborik, Lecavalier, Mitchell etc that some team or another thought were either junk, problems, or declining assets.

GM's are sometimes guilty of not being very good thinking outside of the box. But the best GM's tend to be that because the see value where others conclude there isn't.

If Yak lands in a reasonable situation he'll be a good player in this league. As some have mentioned this team doesn't have a lot of beneficial vet support in topsix. When poor example perennial floaters like Pouliot and Purcell are your teams vet role models that's a whole lot of misery.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Its a silly opinion. Some of the best teams in the league perennially benefit from such assumptive conclusion.

Alternately, chances are players that were once great, are probably still great given the right situation.

To wit stocking shelves with players like Carter, Williams, Lucic, Gaborik, Lecavalier, Mitchell etc that some team or another thought were either junk, problems, or declining assets.

GM's are sometimes guilty of not being very good thinking outside of the box. But the best GM's tend to be that because the see value where others conclude there isn't.

If Yak lands in a reasonable situation he'll be a good player in this league. As some have mentioned this team doesn't have a lot of beneficial vet support in topsix. When poor example perennial floaters like Pouliot and Purcell are your teams vet role models that's a whole lot of misery.

Just like Gagner

 

[Replacement*]

I mean we could load a top unit with
Hall, McDavid, Eberle
Sekera, Draisaitl and have a second unit of
Pouliot - Letestu - Purcell
Yakupov - Schultz

But then the other team just puts all their good penalty killers out against our #1 unit and we still don't score.

I would put the best pk unit out against a D pairing of Yakupov and Schultz and count on some goals...

Those are some awful configs. Why double up Centers and then put Letestu out on 2nd unit.

You're playing with me right?

 

[Replacement*]

Just like Gagner

haha. Gagner is still a very talented player. That doesn't change. Some team might realize that one of these days.

Cogliano, who was an inferior player in any aspect, properly used, and with good coaching, found more of a role.

people discount how much of the time its just time and place and where a player lands.

Theres people in Tampa actually thinking Drouin is a nothing player. Largely sight unseen. It boggles the mind.

Again look at an example like Lecavalier. I'm a minority opinion on hf that thought he would hit it out of the ballpark in LA. Hardly anybody thought that and nearly everybody concluded he was done.

You gotta evaluate player tangibles vs team needs. Sometimes its just a really good match. Philly was a bad match for Vinny, a bad match for Gagner.

 

[oobga]

Our PP isnt even all that bad. I dont know what people expect right now from it. We are right in the middle of the league.

Actually if Yak could contribute a few points on the PP like everyone else on the team we would have a top10 if not top5 PP.

I posted earlier he has the least PP on the whole team. Maybe Woodcroft should just stop playing him there then our PP could be Top 10.

Dam now its Woodcrofts fault Yak is such a terrible hockey player.

Our PP was near the bottom of the league. McDavid came back and we went something like 5/6 and jumped to 10th I think. Now we're working our way back down. McDavid basically is the PP, and not sure how anyone can give credit to Woodcroft for his PP being driven by 1 guy that requires next to no coaching to be elite. Think SN showed we were around 14% without him in the lineup? That would be 30th. Expansion teams full of other teams leftovers have done better.

And not saying Woodcroft's fault about Yak alone. But, like it was under Eakins, there is no confidence to be gained on the PP by any of our offensive guys aside from guys that are lucky to be on the ice when McDavid decides to take over the game on the PP for us. Generally our PP's are confidence ruiners with pathetic zone entries and bad tactics once we are in the zone that generate next to no momentum.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

I would put the best pk unit out against a D pairing of Yakupov and Schultz and count on some goals...

Those are some awful configs. Why double up Centers and then put Letestu out on 2nd unit.

You're playing with me right?

Someone said to load up and just put all our best players on the one unit. Which i did.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

haha. Gagner is still a very talented player. That doesn't change. Some team might realize that one of these days.

Cogliano, who was an inferior player in any aspect, properly used, and with good coaching, found more of a role.

people discount how much of the time its just time and place and where a player lands.

Theres people in Tampa actually thinking Drouin is a nothing player. Largely sight unseen. It boggles the mind.

Again look at an example like Lecavalier. I'm a minority opinion on hf that thought he would hit it out of the ballpark in LA. Hardly anybody thought that and nearly everybody concluded he was done.

You gotta evaluate player tangibles vs team needs. Sometimes its just a really good match. Philly was a bad match for Vinny, a bad match for Gagner.

Gagner needs to learn how to play wing in the NHL effectively if he wants to stay in it. He will never be a successful center.

 

[Replacement*]

Gagner needs to learn how to play wing in the NHL effectively if he wants to stay in it. He will never be a successful center.

Gagner could play wing successfully tomorrow if he had at least one talented and physical linemate to play with on a consistent basis.



Yak could do fine if he had a center as routine as Roy, oh, wait.

This org is just chronically stupid. Things work, then they undo it. I dunno...

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Gagner could play wing successfully tomorrow if he had at least one talented and physical linemate to play with on a consistent basis.



Yak could do fine if he had a center as routine as Roy, oh, wait.

This org is just chronically stupid. Things work, then they undo it. I dunno...

Oh. So Gagner sucks too because of his linemates? Good to know.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Players replacement likes suck due to their linemates. Players he hates suck due to their own play. Makes sense.