Proposal: MTL - CAR - PIT

[euhchepas]

As do the Canes. We aren’t paying what it would take to sign patches at 31.

he aged a lot since yesterday or is it me. I swear I tough he was 29

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Pacioretty turns 31 early in the first year of his next contract. It's not unfair to describe him in the way he did.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

he aged a lot since yesterday or is it me. I swear I tough he was 29

His new contract doesn’t start now

His extension starts in the 2019 season So he’ll be 30 when it kicks in but 31 just 1.5 months into the first season of his new contract.

 

[jfhabs]

No from Montreal. If Pacioretty moves a 1st needs to be included or a prospect with high upside. Both Maata and Rask are nice, but they will both be UFAs by the time the team competes again. Neither are close to be as good as Patch too.

 

[PensandCaps]

Rather have Maatta than Faulk and Brassard over Fleury. Tradin Brassard just leaves us looking for a 3C again. Faulk makes no sense for us at all. Maatta is the better defensive Dman and a LD.
which is what we need. And he's cheaper and locked up longer and probably just as good as an overall Dman.

 

[Freedom]

think if Brassard is involved in this trade deal he goes to Montreal

 

[NHL]

This is a joke right? Carolina doesn't need a #7 Defender (Schlemko), a 2nd/3rd line center (we've got that covered with Rask), and Faulk for Pacioretty isn't near the value we'd get for him traded on his own. Lastly, there's no way Carolina helps Pittsburgh's defense improve as a division rival. Frankly this proposal is embarrassing.

Pacioretty may be worth a bit more than Faulk...Maybe not a lot more, but more. (Not considering contract situation). Pacioretty makes the top 10 LW in the NHL

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Ill be honest.. As a non fan of all 3... This is well thought out... Carolina needs a center thats for sure... But... At the same time... I think Faulk likely could get a better one than brassard...

 

[TheAngryHank]

Lol , Maatta is garbage..
Great deal.

 

[cspera777]

To MTL :
Victor Rask
Olli Maatta

To CAR :
Derrick Brassard
Max Pacioretty
David Schlemko

To PIT :
Justin Faulk
Haydn Fleury

No thanks from Pittsburgh, Maatta and Faulk are a wash so we are basically trading Brassard straight up for Fleury, Brassard has more value than that.

 

[Peat]

No as a Pens fan. Makes us worse next season.

Also... we've gotta stop including Brassard in deals to non-win now teams that aren't interested in resigning an expensive guy through his 30s, because for some strange reason they never seem to like the proposals.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No from Montreal. If Pacioretty moves a 1st needs to be included or a prospect with high upside. Both Maata and Rask are nice, but they will both be UFAs by the time the team competes again. Neither are close to be as good as Patch too.

Agreed. Someone knows what they are talking about.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No thanks from Pittsburgh, Maatta and Faulk are a wash so we are basically trading Brassard straight up for Fleury, Brassard has more value than that.

Maatta and Faulk are a wash? I like Faulk much much more.

 

[GoldiFox]

No thanks from Pittsburgh, Maatta and Faulk are a wash so we are basically trading Brassard straight up for Fleury, Brassard has more value than that.

I understand that people don’t watch the Canes, but this is just silly. One year of Brassard does not have more value than a 22 year old, 6’3”, 220 lbs D who played top-4 minutes last year (when Hanifin couldn’t cut it) and is cost controlled for 5 more years. Just say you don’t know anything about Fleury and move on.

 

[molon labe]

I understand that people don’t watch the Canes, but this is just silly. One year of Brassard does not have more value than a 22 year old, 6’3”, 220 lbs D who played top-4 minutes last year (when Hanifin couldn’t cut it) and is cost controlled for 5 more years. Just say you don’t know anything about Fleury and move on.

Agreed. Brassard at a decent cap hit with 3-4 years left would though. Bonafide 2C > 3/4D all day.

Maatta is also grossly underrated everywhere on this board. We rag on him plenty due to his foot speed - but the kid is 23 years old with major playoff minutes... where else do you get that? He becomes 'available' from the Pens perspective because he's slow - throw him on any number of average skating NHL clubs and people would change their tune on the kid no doubt. I guarantee our management does not include him in any throw away or wash-type deal due to his age and existing pedigree.. we could have this discussion five seasons from now and the kid would still have tremendous value. He potentially has a decade+ left as a solid 3/4 defensemen....

 

[PensandCaps]

I understand that people don’t watch the Canes, but this is just silly. One year of Brassard does not have more value than a 22 year old, 6’3”, 220 lbs D who played top-4 minutes last year (when Hanifin couldn’t cut it) and is cost controlled for 5 more years. Just say you don’t know anything about Fleury and move on.

Fleury probably does hold more value because he is a good young D for cheap. But just not for the Pens.

 

[domaug]

I understand that people don’t watch the Canes, but this is just silly. One year of Brassard does not have more value than a 22 year old, 6’3”, 220 lbs D who played top-4 minutes last year (when Hanifin couldn’t cut it) and is cost controlled for 5 more years. Just say you don’t know anything about Fleury and move on.

forgive me for not having the warmest sentiments for Canes players when their fans call players like Maatta and Brassard "piles of garbage" or say they're "not quality pieces".

 

[Primetime8]

forgive me for not having the warmest sentiments for Canes players when their fans call players like Maatta and Brassard "piles of garbage" or say they're "not quality pieces".

I see 0 posts where a Canes fan called Maatta garbage but ok. Just because fans of other teams come in and say that doesn't mean they are Canes fans - you can click on profiles and see the team they root for quite often

 

[bobholly39]

Throw in Crosby going to MTL and the Habs accept.

 

[GoldiFox]

forgive me for not having the warmest sentiments for Canes players when their fans call players like Maatta and Brassard "piles of garbage" or say they're "not quality pieces".

I don't see that. Personally I was pushing for Brassard to the Canes before Pittsburgh acquired him and I liked Maatta a lot as a prospect (haven't keyed in on him as a Penguin).

 

[Captain Mountain]

canes might get ****ed but it's not 2 players im interrested none the less for Montreal...

Ditto. Montreal needs futures coming in. Also not a fan of Rask as all with that contract and Montreal needs more mobility if they're bringing in another high-price D-man.

Don't see how this deal makes sense for Montreal.

 

[domaug]

I see 0 posts where a Canes fan called Maatta garbage but ok. Just because fans of other teams come in and say that doesn't mean they are Canes fans - you can click on profiles and see the team they root for quite often

Why on Earth would Carolina want that pile of garbage for??????

it's one post, but that's what i saw in the first page of this thread so i didn't even have to go very far.

I'm also making the assumption that "go comets" is a Canes fan, judging by a quick read of their posts.

(no, "go comets" doesn't represent all Canes fans, it doesn't make my post incorrect though, technically)

 

[Captain Mountain]

it's one post, but that's what i saw in the first page of this thread so i didn't even have to go very far.

I'm also making the assumption that "go comets" is a Canes fan, judging by a quick read of their posts.

(no, "go comets" doesn't represent all Canes fans, it doesn't make my post incorrect though, technically)

Carolina isn't getting Maatta in the OPs deal, Montreal is. I'd consider calling Pacioretty and Brassard garbage worse, but they probably weren't talking about Maatta.

 

[domaug]

Carolina isn't getting Maatta in the OPs deal, Montreal is. I'd consider calling Pacioretty and Brassard garbage worse, but they probably weren't talking about Maatta.

i was mistaken. my apologies.

but still, i wouldn't call any of Patches or Brassard or whoever else "garbage". they can be bad fits for a team and not a need, but that doesn't make them garbage.

 

[sheriff bart]

Today's "Bend over Carolina" deal.

No reason to move assets without addressing goalie or 1c in some way.