Confirmed with Link: Mrazek Re-Signs for 2 Years (exp aav 3.125)

[tarheelhockey]

True but also they’ve both been in the league for several years.

I think the bigger issue for me is everyone assuming that because we drafted a guy at 36th overall he should be slated as a clear-cut #1 goalie that we can plan free agent contracts around lol.

That’s exactly what I was trying to get across — the odds of Kochetkov being a guy who makes that kind of immediate impact are small enough that it’s unfair to put that kind of juju on him.

 

[Roboturner913]

This is a perfect deal for us. Have to imagine Petr's happy with it too. Win-win situation.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

And we get to keep @MrazeksVengeance around. Win-win

 

[vorbis]

And we get to keep @MrazeksVengeance around. Win-win

this is how I envision it

 

[My Special Purpose]

This could be a mrazek bridge to Ned or mrazek to mrazek if he keeps it up.

It could even be a bridge to Lehner, who's a UFA for the third straight summer next year. As it stands now, Haula and Faulk are our only key guys headed to unrestricted free agency after next season. Foegele and Wallmark are our only RFAs. Marleau's buyout comes off and I doubt Reimer will still be around. We actually stand to *lower* our salary and cap between the end of 2019-20 and the start of 2020-21. I wouldn't be surprised if we are the ones offering Lehner four years if he keeps it up this season.

I was hoping for Lehner, but the term on this one is ideal. Hopefully Reimer/Ned can be steady like Mac last year

I'm a bit freaked out by Lehner. On the plus side, as I mentioned above, he's a UFA *again* next summer, so we may not be done with him.

I would have liked McElhinney back. But looking at it as McElhinney at $1.3M per year plus Darling's 4 year buyout vs Reimer makes sense.

And keeping Mrazek for these 2 years was definitely my priority over McBackup. Needed someone who could play the majority of the games next year, and that's not McElhinney.

I say a lot of stuff, so I'm bound to be right on occasion, but I said really early that McBackup was a luxury we couldn't afford. He is a 25-start goalie at this point in his career, and he needed to be paired with a horse, clearcut No. 1. I mentioned Tampa Bay as a perfect landing spot for him, along with Vegas, Montreal and Anaheim. I just don't think he was ever what we needed, and I think he knew that as well.

 

[My Special Purpose]

As an aside, I'd love to know what our original offer was to Mrazek right after the season, and whether he got more or less by getting to July 1 and having virtually all goalie landing spots filled.

 

[cptjeff]

As an aside, I'd love to know what our original offer was to Mrazek right after the season, and whether he got more or less by getting to July 1 and having virtually all goalie landing spots filled.

I'd bet it was pretty similar, and Mrazek wanted to play the goalie roulette in search of higher money or longer term, knowing that the Canes deal would be there for him.

 

[Ahoy there]

Lehner's deal is a bit perplexing. I wonder what term he was looking for as that has to be a big reason we passed.

(oh wait, sorry. We're broke. That's why.)

 

[Chrispy]

I'd bet it was pretty similar, and Mrazek wanted to play the goalie roulette in search of higher money or longer term, knowing that the Canes deal would be there for him.

Agreed, I don't see any way the Canes offer him less today than they did.

That doesn't match a moneyball philosophy. If Tulsky comes up with a number that Mrazek is worth and they offer it, they aren't going to come back lower because Mrazek looked around.

Reneging on a previous offer would be a way to piss off future Canes in negotiations, much more than the hard line Aho dealt with.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Agreed, I don't see any way the Canes offer him less today than they did.

That doesn't match a moneyball philosophy. If Tulsky comes up with a number that Mrazek is worth and they offer it, they aren't going to come back lower because Mrazek looked around.

Reneging on a previous offer would be a way to piss off future Canes in negotiations, much more than the hard line Aho dealt with.

OK, but let's apply the same principle to Ferland. If Ferland were to come crawling back to Waddell tomorrow, do you think the most-recent offer would stand?

 

[Chrispy]

OK, but let's apply the same principle to Ferland. If Ferland were to come crawling back to Waddell tomorrow, do you think the most-recent offer would stand?

If it fits in the budget? Yes. If Williams notifies of retirement tomorrow I think they keep that offer.

With Williams in limbo and an Aho offer? I don’t know if have payroll to offer Ferland anything right now.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

And we get to keep @MrazeksVengeance around. Win-win

FROM THE ASHES WE WILL RISE.

BEHOLD THE WRATH OF THE UNWANTED.

 

[Roboturner913]

FROM THE ASHES WE WILL RISE.

BEHOLD THE WRATH OF THE UNWANTED.

there are some people on the main board who could use your particular brand of righteous fury

go layeth the vengeance upon them

 

[Navin R Slavin]

there are some people on the main board who could use your particular brand of righteous fury

go layeth the vengeance upon them

No. Please don't get banned. We need you healthy.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

No. Please don't get banned. We need you healthy.

DON’T MENTION THAT STUFF. (IT’S “ILLEGAL” TO TALK ABOUT IT HANK)

BESIDES, I AM EXTREMELY POLITE THERE.

there are some people on the main board who could use your particular brand of righteous fury

go layeth the vengeance upon them

ALREADY ON IT.

 

[Roboturner913]

No. Please don't get banned. We need you healthy.

it's summer man, it's not a game. Not a game! it's just summer

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

this is how I envision it

I ACTUALLY LOVE LITTLE CRITTERS.
SOME OF THE MOST VENGEFUL BEINGS IN THE WORLD ARE RELATIVELY SMALL CREATURES LIKE CATS, MONGOOSES OR HONEY BADGERS.

 

[DougieSmash]

Lehner is more talented but otherwise it's good contract.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Probably would have rather had Lehner for a year or two at $5M per...but no complaints about getting Mrazek for $3.125M/yr for the next 2 years. He's a known quantity, and we know he meshes well with our teams locker room and culture. Pluse he's a no BS goalie, someone shoves him, he's hacking right back!! He has plenty of ups and downs, but his lows aren't Darling low, and his highs can be pretty fun to watch (especially his victory cellys)! Mrazek (40-45), Reimer (20-25), Ned (10-20) seems like a pretty solid goalie carousel for the next 2 seasons. Of course, after 2 years, we're back to having 0 goalies locked up again...but cross that bridge when we get there.

 

[geehaad]

If Ferland were to come crawling back to Waddell tomorrow, do you think the most-recent offer would stand?

This is a fun rhetorical question, in terms of whether Mrazek is handled similarly/differently. Offers in negotiations typically have an expiration date, and I would assume that both parties would need to presume that all offers were off the table once the FA period begins. Either side can return to the table after shopping, but the first question that begins the new conversation is "does your previous offer stand?"

From there, it depends on what you learned about the market on your shopping trip. The moneyball numbers are constantly being updated. If there's a significant difference in those numbers since you calculated your last offer, you haggle. There's no disrespect in saying "when we offered you $X, it was based on Y, but we've found since then that Y is not true, therefore...".

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

Mrazzle Dazzle for 2 more years.

I'm happy with this. It's such a guessing game -- but I'm cautiously optimistic it can work. we'll see.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

WRATH OF THE UNWANTED.

Is this your band name?

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

Is this your band name?

NAH. JUST ANOTHER PLAY ON ONE OF THE MANY QUOTES I TAKE INSPIRATION FROM.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

No. Please don't get banned. We need you healthy.

I HAVE TO SAY I AM SOMEWHAT HONORED @DaveG LIKED THIS.

 

[DaveG]

I HAVE TO SAY I AM SOMEWHAT HONORED @DaveG LIKED THIS.

I'm all for personality and fun, and I'm definitely pro vengeance