Marincin has nothing to do with this discussion.
He's a good example of people basing their opinions on the 'what have you done for me lately' mindset that is so prevalent around here.
Also...in what universe did Yak perform as a good 2nd line winger?
He was a disaster defensively and needed to be sheltered every time he stepped on the ice. Its hard to even figure out who to play him with for that reason.
He has a longs ways to go before anybody can suggest that he is a good 2nd line winger.
OK now I'm not sure if you're even reading any of these posts or if you're just skimming.
IF the question were "who is most valuable to the Oilers this season" AND we were talking about these guys each playing at a reasonably high level of play in order to make a fair comparison, Klefbom is easily the more valuable player to us.
Klefbom on the other hand plays a much tougher position and was also playing against better competition. So he has learned a much tougher position in almost 1/3 of the time.
I have no idea why you refuse to acknowledge this.
I have no idea when this was ever even the topic of conversation, let alone refusing to acknowledge it.
Clearly, we're on 2 different tracks here.
I asked you how you could possibly rate Klefbom's ceiling that high while putting Yakupov's that low. You clarified that 'ceiling' to you = your opinion on how likely a player is to reach potential. I disagree. I'd define it as what the common belief is on their peak potential; whereas how you think they are likely to reach that potential is a different topic. But whatever; no longer the point.
Then somehow we go from that to you thinking that I'm making this a Yakupov vs. Klefbom argument? I'm not. At all. It actually couldn't be more irrelevant to what I was saying. We're just talking about who you believe has the higher trade value to other teams. Again, I believe Yakupov does, slightly, while acknowledging that IMO it's a total crap shoot that would probably change from GM to GM.
