Most Underachieving Flyers

[Embiid]

Chechmanek.

Not sure...yeah in the playoffs he came up small when he wigged out on the offense for not scoring goals but overall he had a pretty good showing and maybe exceeded expectations. I mean he was on par with Hasek statistically for one of his years right?

 

[Embiid]

For a player labeled as "The Next One" he did underachieve on an individual level as well. (In my mind) For what he was suppose to be and what he was suppose to accomplish he came up quite short due to a various amount of reasons. He played against quite a high level of competition but his trophy case is quite small as well. Winning a cup is a team achievement but it is up to the top level players to really make it happen. It is unfortunate that his career was cut short and the flyers gave up a ton to come up with nothing to show for it.

Eric Lindros was a fantastic player but he certainly didn't live up to the hype.

I could buy the line that he underachieved.....he was expected to do much more and yeah his career was cut short due to injuries but don't think it should be removed from the equation necessarily either. Dude didn't know how to keep his head up since he was used to bulling through people in his junior days...

 

[Curufinwe]

Injuries, and the dinosaur mentality of Flyers management towards injuries in the 90s, were the only thing holding Lindros back.

 

[Rebels57]

For a player labeled as "The Next One" he did underachieve on an individual level as well. (In my mind) For what he was suppose to be and what he was suppose to accomplish he came up quite short due to a various amount of reasons. He played against quite a high level of competition but his trophy case is quite small as well. Winning a cup is a team achievement but it is up to the top level players to really make it happen. It is unfortunate that his career was cut short and the flyers gave up a ton to come up with nothing to show for it.

Eric Lindros was a fantastic player but he certainly didn't live up to the hype.

He was arguably the most all-around dominant forward in the league before the head injuries..

 

[Lindberg]

He was arguably the most all-around dominant forward in the league before the head injuries..

I am fully aware of that but at the end of the day it is what you accomplish and for a guy of his stature he should have been a shoe-in for the hall of fame i.e. like Pronger. Likewise, I think he has been unfairly treated by the hall because of his feud with Bobby Clarke, refusal to report to the Nordiques and etc. (all nonsense)

I'll use an example from my point of view using Connor McDavid, if McDavid never reaches the playoffs with EDM his career will be viewed as an overall failure for a guy who was so highly touted. Hockey is a team sport but hall of fame players should be able to will their team to victory at some point. Obviously the Flyers and Edmonton were/are totally different teams. The flyers were suppose to be contenders while Edmonton is a bottom dweller.

At the start of Lindros' career did anyone expect him to never win a Stanley Cup? I'd be willing to wager most thought he would at least have one ring if not multiple. Failing to meet expectations is definitely what I would consider as underachieving. Did anyone expect Crosby and his Penguins to have only won one cup by now?

 

[YEM]

At the start of Lindros' career did anyone expect him to never win a Stanley Cup?

we need to remember that we were one of the worst teams [if not the worst] in the league at the start of his career-we went 5 years in a row without playoffs [in a 24 team league], #88 started his flyers tenure at the end of that abysmal streak...

 

[FlyersFan61290]

Sean Couturier



jk, the beard alone makes him an overachiever

 

[ted2019]

I'd vote for Rinaldo. His first season fooled some people into thinking he could be an effective NHL role player, but he was undisciplined garbage ever since and now languishes in the AHL.



I think that's harsh. He was a 15-20 point shutdown dman on some very good teams.

" Bundy" should've been an all star at least once or twice just on his size alone.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

This was the actual trade:

Joni Pitkanen , Geoff Sanderson & 2009 3rd rounder (transferred to Calgary - Ryan Howse) for Jason Smith & Joffrey Lupul.

http://www.flyershistory.com/cgi-bin/trade.cgi

2/15/07: Ryan Parent, Scottie Upshall, & a 2007 1st Rounder for Peter Forsberg
2/24/07: Braydon Coburn for Alexei Zhitnik
2/27/07: Martin Biron for a 2007 2nd Rounder
6/18/07: Kimmo Timonen & Scott Hartnell for a 2007 1st rounder
7/1/07 Jason Smith & Joffery Lupul for Joni Pitkanen, Geoff Sanderson, & a 2009 3rd rounder

Pretty crazy roster over turn in such a positive way in such a short time.

 

[Stranger Danger]

Chechmanek.

Roman or Dagmar??

 

[Stranger Danger]

He was arguably the most all-around dominant forward in the league before the head injuries..

It's not even arguable IMO.

 

[klutch]

Since a 2x4 is better laying in front of the net than Bryz, it has to be him. On top of that, his interviews were top notch.

 

[Qyburn]

I think that's harsh. He was a 15-20 point shutdown dman on some very good teams.

I am positive there must have been a lot of intangibles I just didn't notice at the time because I didn't know to look for them. I do remember him doing a pretty good job on Jagr more often than not when he came charging down the right wing. Definitely wouldn't call Therien "average".

 

[JojoTheWhale]

You have your guys like Lindros and Renberg who underachieved due to injuries. Guys like Brendl and Falloon already had the bloom falling off the rose to varying degrees by the time they were acquired. Cechmanek was already 30 (IIRC) when he came over.

If you want to talk personally failing on hype at the time vs production scale, it's Chris Gratton for me in a landslide, at least since the mid 80s.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Does Daigle count? I know he was a known bust by the time we got him, but since his entire career is a bust, surely that counts?

 

[Embiid]

Lindros' helicopter parents didn't help him either ...it is a shame him and Clarke got into a petty public spat that spoiled what he did accomplish here in a short time despite the injuries.

 

[Embiid]

Does Daigle count? I know he was a known bust by the time we got him, but since his entire career is a bust, surely that counts?

He was kind of a reclamation project though by the time we got him....at least IMO

 

[HokieDude17]

2/15/07: Ryan Parent, Scottie Upshall, & a 2007 1st Rounder for Peter Forsberg
2/24/07: Braydon Coburn for Alexei Zhitnik
2/27/07: Martin Biron for a 2007 2nd Rounder
6/18/07: Kimmo Timonen & Scott Hartnell for a 2007 1st rounder
7/1/07 Jason Smith & Joffery Lupul for Joni Pitkanen, Geoff Sanderson, & a 2009 3rd rounder

Pretty crazy roster over turn in such a positive way in such a short time.

This guy right here stands out as a giant underachiever, especially after he was touted as a future top pairing shutdown D. The shoulder injuries certainly didn't help.

I still have nightmares of him and Lasse Kuokkonen as a D pairing in the playoffs...

 

[Garbage Goal]

I want to say Zherdev just for the simple fact that he had the pure skill to be a top six producer, but lacked defensive effort and ability as well as attitude (seemingly) to do that. Probably an odd pick, but whatever. I don't think it's fair to pick a bust of a draft pick or a player who declined after obvious injury.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

This guy right here stands out as a giant underachiever, especially after he was touted as a future top pairing shutdown D. The shoulder injuries certainly didn't help.

I still have nightmares of him and Lasse Kuokkonen as a D pairing in the playoffs...

It was actually Lukas Krajicek who he was paired with in the cup run if that was what you're referring to.

They were downright terrible, they weren't asked a lot & still couldn't give passable production.

 

[Embiid]

This guy right here stands out as a giant underachiever, especially after he was touted as a future top pairing shutdown D. The shoulder injuries certainly didn't help.

I still have nightmares of him and Lasse Kuokkonen as a D pairing in the playoffs...

Parent's back did him in.....Flyers knew when they got him that he had a bulging disc....but they and Parent thought it could "managed" He looked promising his 1st year but then him and the Kook on the backend in the playoffs were a comedy of errors.

 

[Embiid]

It was actually Lukas Krajicek who he was paired with in the cup run if that was what you're referring to.

They were downright terrible, they weren't asked a lot & still couldn't give passable production.

It was Krajicek..you are right....ugh...the gruesome twosome

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

This team tonight.

 

[Beef Invictus]

This team tonight.

I came in here to make this joke too.

 

[klutch]

I came in here to make this joke too.

Jake Voracek, did I do this right ?