Montreal UFA's - Who would you bring back
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Lol at passing up on Diaz for 1.225M.
I'd take Markov and Diaz back on the same contracts. Pretty well a no brainer, Bouillion is too old, Parros and Murray should be in the AHL, and Gionta is no longer worth 5M. Diaz is a good player on a bargain contract and Markov still has enough in the tank to at least be awesome on the PP if his even strength game were to fall.
I'd take Markov and Diaz back on the same contracts. Pretty well a no brainer, Bouillion is too old, Parros and Murray should be in the AHL, and Gionta is no longer worth 5M. Diaz is a good player on a bargain contract and Markov still has enough in the tank to at least be awesome on the PP if his even strength game were to fall.
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Anyone who wouldn't take Diaz at the same salary he's on now is cracked.
The logical answer to the actual question then is Markov and Diaz. Only Markov would realistically sign at that offer though.
Would take Gionta at a much reduced salary, but again not sure he's sign for as low as I'd want.
The logical answer to the actual question then is Markov and Diaz. Only Markov would realistically sign at that offer though.
Would take Gionta at a much reduced salary, but again not sure he's sign for as low as I'd want.
Markov is a no-brainer. 2-3 years. Granted I feel now is the time to trade him IF you want to get any trade value. But he has been and still is a habs at heart.
Diaz, @ this cap hit? that is crazy good value for a 3rd pair PP specialist that can slot into a 2nd pair on spot duty. And he's RH.
Briere @ 5 more years @ 5M per....obviously. The guy did score 2 goals 2 games ago, so he's awesome right
Diaz, @ this cap hit? that is crazy good value for a 3rd pair PP specialist that can slot into a 2nd pair on spot duty. And he's RH.
Well, the poll says "at the same salary", which doesn't make much sense, except maybe for Markov.
Diaz would be a bargain at that price.
And yeah, Habsterix with Gionta for two more years.
Briere @ 5 more years @ 5M per....obviously. The guy did score 2 goals 2 games ago, so he's awesome right
Briere @ 5 more years @ 5M per....obviously. The guy did score 2 goals 2 games ago, so he's awesome right
I'd say we should 'wait and see' before making any judgement!
Anybody who DIDN'T click Diaz and Markov is clueless...at the same salary both are huge bargains.
People are so obsessed with Diaz's size that they overlook all he does to help the team.
Parros, he's done what was asked of him, taken care of the HW on other teams so other guys can play hockey. Notice we haven't seen a Chara going after Emelin or Orr after Bourque or McLaren after Gorges.
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Maybe Markov, but honestly I don't think he has much left in the tank. If he is willing to take a 2 year deal then I might go for that.
The others are mediocre to terrible and it's time for the team to bring in a breath of fresh air.
Gionta - I love his hustle but he's nearing the end of the road. He's had a good career but he can finish it somewhere else.
Parros - Useless at hockey and a hit/check away from never playing again. Goons like him are a dying breed and I expect they will be gone from the league soon enough.
Markov - I think people are afraid to admit what is happening right before their eyes. He is nowhere near the same player he used to be. At the start of the year when he was fresh, he looked great but now...not so much. I cringe to think what he'll look like come playoff time. MB has a tough decision to make on him if Markov is looking for a long term (3+ year) deal.
Bouillon - Go away.
Murray - Decent enough for a bridge to Tinordi but Tinordi should be ready to go next season.
Diaz - I'll never understand the praise he gets. People call him a PP specialist, well for a specialist he isn't very special. He could easily be replaced by Beaulieu/Pateryn IMO next season.
I hope MB has a direction in mind and we don't see another Briere level signing.
The others are mediocre to terrible and it's time for the team to bring in a breath of fresh air.
Gionta - I love his hustle but he's nearing the end of the road. He's had a good career but he can finish it somewhere else.
Parros - Useless at hockey and a hit/check away from never playing again. Goons like him are a dying breed and I expect they will be gone from the league soon enough.
Markov - I think people are afraid to admit what is happening right before their eyes. He is nowhere near the same player he used to be. At the start of the year when he was fresh, he looked great but now...not so much. I cringe to think what he'll look like come playoff time. MB has a tough decision to make on him if Markov is looking for a long term (3+ year) deal.
Bouillon - Go away.
Murray - Decent enough for a bridge to Tinordi but Tinordi should be ready to go next season.
Diaz - I'll never understand the praise he gets. People call him a PP specialist, well for a specialist he isn't very special. He could easily be replaced by Beaulieu/Pateryn IMO next season.
I hope MB has a direction in mind and we don't see another Briere level signing.
For a guy with no much left in the tank Markov is having quite a season. He's playing better than last year. The goals are down but he is +7 while he was -9 last yaer with similar tough minutes.
Markov is a top 30 NHL defenseman right now, maybe top 20.
Not sure who called Diaz a PP specialist. He is a guy taht does everything well without being great at anything. He's a #4 on most NHL teams...at 1.225 that's a huge bargain. On most teams he'd play on the top PP and have a lot more points.
First part of the season I would agree, he was playing at an elite level. The last 15 games or so though it's been a different story. Just watch him play specifically, I'm not just talking about stats, and you will see what I'm talking about.
Again, I don't see it with Diaz. He doesn't make that good of a first pass and often times shys away from contact instead of making the play. Also he isn't very good on the PP anymore. I don't think he's been the same player since his concussion.
We have guys in the AHL, like Tinordi/Beaulieu/Pateryn, that have higher ceilings than Diaz/Murray/Bouillon. I'm tired of treading water with average players.
He hasn't played quite as well, but the team as a whole has struggled to maintain offensive posession, so all the d-men are spending time on defense instead of on offense. I think that's more a fuction of his environment than of him.
If you let Markov and Diaz walk then the defense will look like 11-12, a trainwreck, not a good envirinment to develop young players. Signing a UFA is a formula for overpaying.
The only way I move Markov is if A-his contract demands are out of whack(3-4 years at 7 mil) or B-the return for him is too good to pass up(1st and a stud prospect who can play now).
Diaz is good on the PP, he just doesn't have a shooter with him and the PP is structured for Subban to shoot(top PP) so the #2 PP has generally been dysfunctional.
I agree the AHL kids will need room...but if they are not well surrounded it's a plan that will fail and then we'll end up spending picks on a Wisniewski type filler. I agree at least one if not two of those guys need to be on the roster next year, but there are 8 spots, if you let Bouillon Murray Diaz and Markov walk, you can't fill those with 4 kids.
I don't have a problem bringing Markov back on a 2 year deal.
Subban
Markov
Emelin
Gorges
+
Two of Tinordi/Beaulieu/Pateryn
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#7 D Drewiske (since he is under contract)
Now I also wouldn't be against trading or signing another top 4 D + moving Gorges.
...keep Diaz, especially for soo cheap...good 3rd pairing, 2nd PP guy...
...I'd keep Markov if we can't get a big return on him in trade at the deadline (I know, not a popular opinion, but I would trade him if the offer was right)...
...maybe keep Murray for a 7th/8th guy for a mill if we don't have a replacement...would be a pretty good teacher for Pateryn & Tinordi...
...I'd keep Markov if we can't get a big return on him in trade at the deadline (I know, not a popular opinion, but I would trade him if the offer was right)...
...maybe keep Murray for a 7th/8th guy for a mill if we don't have a replacement...would be a pretty good teacher for Pateryn & Tinordi...
Did I say on the top 6? I see him as an excellent third line player... if the team gets a better RW for the Top 6.
Voted Markov and Diaz.
Markov is a no-brainer. We need some veterans to pass the torch (Price, Subban and Pacioretty are not there yet in my mind). Markov and Plekanec are these guys in my mind. They have been good and consistent hockey players for many years, drafted by the Habs... You can't only turn to the younger ones because our supposed "Cup window" only opens in a few years. You will always needs those players that have experienced more battles, even if they are going to play a lesser role with the years passing.
Diaz is not a part of the core but would be useful for depth purpose. With Markov and Subban re-signed, Emelin, Gorges and Drewiske (who can be an 8th guy and who should play only when the injury bug hits) signed, signing Diaz would leave two spots for Tinordi, Beaulieu and Pateryn to battle on. With at least one top 6 spot, and another one if they can outplay Diaz. It the three rookies prove to be NHL ready after a full season, then you can still trade Diaz easily. Obviously, he will get a raise, but he won't get a Streit type of deal either.
Bouillon should call it a career, at least with the Habs.
Murray is not good enough to be brought back. If the kids aren't ready for full-time NHL duty and we need another stop-gap, we can still find one once the season has started.
Parros could still be useful if he's healthy enough, but that's a big if on which I wouldn't gamble today.
Finally, Gionta is too redundant on this team. We already have Gallagher and Briere as small right-handed wingers. I know, Briere should be a center, but then, he's redundant with Desharnais... But really, the one that now owns Gionta's role (at least, the one he was signed for by Gainey) is Gallagher. If we need a defensive specialist to play on the wing with Plek', we should look elsewhere. Or we can just trust Moen for that role on PK and let Plek have a winger that can target the net at ES.
Markov is a no-brainer. We need some veterans to pass the torch (Price, Subban and Pacioretty are not there yet in my mind). Markov and Plekanec are these guys in my mind. They have been good and consistent hockey players for many years, drafted by the Habs... You can't only turn to the younger ones because our supposed "Cup window" only opens in a few years. You will always needs those players that have experienced more battles, even if they are going to play a lesser role with the years passing.
Diaz is not a part of the core but would be useful for depth purpose. With Markov and Subban re-signed, Emelin, Gorges and Drewiske (who can be an 8th guy and who should play only when the injury bug hits) signed, signing Diaz would leave two spots for Tinordi, Beaulieu and Pateryn to battle on. With at least one top 6 spot, and another one if they can outplay Diaz. It the three rookies prove to be NHL ready after a full season, then you can still trade Diaz easily. Obviously, he will get a raise, but he won't get a Streit type of deal either.
Bouillon should call it a career, at least with the Habs.
Murray is not good enough to be brought back. If the kids aren't ready for full-time NHL duty and we need another stop-gap, we can still find one once the season has started.
Parros could still be useful if he's healthy enough, but that's a big if on which I wouldn't gamble today.
Finally, Gionta is too redundant on this team. We already have Gallagher and Briere as small right-handed wingers. I know, Briere should be a center, but then, he's redundant with Desharnais... But really, the one that now owns Gionta's role (at least, the one he was signed for by Gainey) is Gallagher. If we need a defensive specialist to play on the wing with Plek', we should look elsewhere. Or we can just trust Moen for that role on PK and let Plek have a winger that can target the net at ES.
So, just to clarify, you'd be happy to start next season with the defensive depth as:
1. Subban
2. Gorges
3. Emelin
4. Tinordi
5. Beaulieu
6. Patryn
7. Drewiske
8. Ellis? Dietz?
I mean, even if you think pencilling all of Tinordi, Pateryn and Beaulieu in as top six starters is a good idea, surely you don't actually believe that Drewiske a better fall back option than Diaz would be at 1.2 million?
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