News Article: Montreal must approach deadline with caution
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CanadienShark
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The sky is green.
Galchenyuk has much higher potential than DD.
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Therfore DD should be ahead of Galchenyuk in the depth chart.
You won't believe it, but logically speaking, that's a valid argument.
kingdok
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Habs shouldn't have done the trade. Keep McD and etc.. and if they finish a bit higher in the 2011-2012 season, they can draft Forsberg instead.
As much as I like him, Galchenyuk < McDonagh + Forsberg.
That would equal about $10 to $12 million in salary - it would be a tricky situation
I agree
The sky is green.
Galchenyuk has much higher potential than DD.
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Therfore DD should be ahead of Galchenyuk in the depth chart.
You won't believe it, but logically speaking, that's a valid argument.
The longer they keep Galchenyuk away from center the longer it takes for him to become an NHL center.
The longer they wait to develop him as an NHL center the closer they are to Plekanec and Markov no longer being high end reliable players.
Closer they are to no longer having the best bargain goal scoring winger in the league.
What exactly is so great about the future that makes all of these assets worth saving?
I'm slowly but surely turning on Bergevin and he better do something in the next 4 weeks to show that he knows this team is a winner right now and the future offers nothing but promise and uncertainty.
I don't believe that at all. By leaving him on the wing he gets to "bloom" offensively before having to focus a lot of his energy on the nuances of playing center(faceoffs, coverage and positioning).
Even if he was playing center from day 1, the habs cup window only opens when Galchenyuk is 22.
Go big or go home.
Dallas needs defense. Montreal needs offense.
Habs get Tyler Seguin, John Klingberg, Antoine Roussel and a 2nd round pick.
Stars get PK Subban and Lars Eller.
To get top quality, you will have to give up top quality.
I disagree on this one. I don't think Dallas even does this but this just sets up another hole.
Considering our recent 1st rounders have been forwards, I don't see the need to create another hole. That being said, seguin is a heck of a player, better than Subban IMO but man oh man, with the country club aged D we have I'm not sure this is a great idea to even consider.
That trade would never happen.
However, to get the talent that we need on offense, the Habs will have to trade something very valuable in return.
It would be pointless to trade Pacioretty to get more offense. That leaves us with Price and Subban as valuable enough pieces to get top talent on offense.
If Bergevin wanted to be bold, he would have to choose between the lesser of two evils. Looking at our prospect pool, no way would/could he trade Price. There are options in Hamilton on D. Especially with Price in the nets. He can make an average DMan look better than he really is.
I get where you're coming from but I think this is one of the areas that we don't need to upgrade just yet.
Seguin is fantastic but we still have Seguin, Plekanec, Galchenyuk, DD are centerman afterwards.
I'm open to trading both Eller and DD in separate packages to bolster our RW with a decent top 6er.
In my mind you build around:
Price
Subban
Pacioretty
Plekanec
Galchenyuk
and while guys like
Gallagher
Eller
Markov
etc...
can be seen as long term solutions but I'd easily dangle them for an upgrade. Given the weak RW I'd rather hold onto Gallagher though but seeing guys like PAP don't do it for me. We need better talent up front I just don't want to destroy one position to overload another.
I agree with your assessment.
I was just pointing out what it will take to get top talent in a "big move". And in reality, the cost will be too high.
I don't really agree with talking about goalies this way. Great players change the way they play year after year to fit the change in the game, in their bodies, and in their team and coaching. Statistics are not a good example of how a goalie has to adjust to the differences in quality of competition, teammates, injuries and ageing etc.
Peak and Prime are purely statistical, but to be honest they don't really say much about the effectiveness of the goalie necessarily. Where do you locate "peak" Grant Fuhr or "peak" Roy? Roy's rookie year in the playoffs? 93? Later than that?
What about Tim Thomas?
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Our Cup window don't close with Price's decline, it close as soon as Pacioretty contract expire (in 3 years)
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macavoy
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You are probably right. Because Parches contract is like a RFA contract except he is a league best
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I think he was having a pretty tough time handling the pace over just a stretch of games this year he's not ready yet - it was great experience. I hope next year he will take another step and get a line the whole year with some sheltered minutes good starts pp etc
optimus2861
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With Fuhr it looks fairly easy. He peaked from 21-23, when he posted GSAA numbers of 14.1, 13.8, and then 19.9. He did put up a 13.9 at the age of 30 with the Leafs, and a 10.1 at 33 with the Blues, but other than that 3-year peak, Fuhr was statistically never much better than an average goaltender. He benefited by playing behind a powerhouse, obviously.
Fuhr did elevate his game in the playoffs at 24 & 25 though, so there's that.
As for Roy, peak is easy. 24 to 28. GSAA numbers, in order, of 47.1 (!), 27.2, 46.9 (!), 16.7 (he was somewhat ordinary in the 93 season, but then had his best-ever playoff GSAA in 93), and then 44.2.
Prime, well, Roy's whole career would qualify as a prime for most goalies. His playoff runs at 36 & 37 weren't great by his standards.
Burned hot, burned fast. He had stunning 09 & 11 seasons (45.7 GSAA at 36!), fairly good 08 & 06 seasons, and not much beyond that. He effectively didn't play long enough to have what you'd consider a prime.
Do I have to say that I really, really like that GSAA number for evaluating goalies?
tade for rentals but dont give up more then a couple seconds and b prospects (jagr) because were good enough to be an outside contender and cindarella stories happen
save first pick to draft rhd (jeremy roy)
use 2016-17 1sts, eller, and whatever else we got to get a top winger and sign another ufa (kane, hall, simmonds, vrbata etc.)
fast forward to 2017-18
resign markov and pleky cheap
patch-chucky-sherback
x-mccarron-x
sekac-plecky-galy
hudon-jdlr-bournival/ghetto/prospects that go rookie in 16-17
tinner-subban
beaulieu-roy
emelin-markov
..wishful thinking that we could draft a rhd and have him make the team at 20-21 years old i guess.. actually a lot more wishful thinking than that lol
save first pick to draft rhd (jeremy roy)
use 2016-17 1sts, eller, and whatever else we got to get a top winger and sign another ufa (kane, hall, simmonds, vrbata etc.)
fast forward to 2017-18
resign markov and pleky cheap
patch-chucky-sherback
x-mccarron-x
sekac-plecky-galy
hudon-jdlr-bournival/ghetto/prospects that go rookie in 16-17
tinner-subban
beaulieu-roy
emelin-markov
..wishful thinking that we could draft a rhd and have him make the team at 20-21 years old i guess.. actually a lot more wishful thinking than that lol
Bergevin needs to find a way to scam Galchenyuk the same way and we are good to go.
S Bah
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This article came out on the Sportsnet website this afternoon...
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/habs-must-approach-deadline-with-caution/
One has to wonder if the writer is a LA Kings fan, suggesting that the Habs team that's fighting for 1st all season long, can't possibly be a threat to win the SC. It's not like the Habs are in the hunt for a Lottery pick, are They?
Cole Caulifield
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I still remember that one article from a bitter Toronto media about how Patch was one of the worst contract in the league.. good times
That said, in a few years, we can cross our fingers that the cap has risen...
