Proposal: Montreal Draft Day 4 Deals

[Jared Dunn]

I want Kotkaniemi and Hughes so indulge me here.

Trade 1: To Arizona: #3 and #128 to Montreal: #5, #55 and #74

Variations of this seem to be widely agreed upon, Arizona seemingly likes Zadina but he won't fall past four and I doubt Ottawa takes Kotkaniemi. Will also gladly give you Alzner if you need, ya know, character.

Trade 2: To Colorado: Pacioretty + Schlemko (@50%) for #16 + Compher + Bowers (I honestly don't know how highly he's valued to Colorado so idk if that's overkill, could also take a cap dump if needed)

New York, Dallas and Colorado are the only landing spots I see for Pacioretty with Florida off the board. Think he'd be a good fit with the Avs, Schlemko @50% adds some very cheap, puck moving defensive depth

Trade 3: To Toronto: Petry to Montreal: Martin (dump) + Brooks/Aaltonen + 25th + 2019 2nd

I know there's going to be some Toronto fans coming in here and saying that's overpayment right away. HOWEVER, most reasonable Leafs fans I've seen on here would do Tanev for a 1st + 2nd + meh prospect. I think Petry is the better D out of the two since he can contribute much more on offense, he's locked up an extra year, and they get to dump Martin's contract.

Trade 4: To Chicago: #16 and #25 To Montreal: Hossa contract (some negative value but barely) + #8 +#120

I don't really have a whole lot of justification for Chicago doing this one tbh but I think the value is fine


Out: Petry, Pacioretty, Schlemko, #3, #128

In: Compher, Bowers, Martin, Brooks/Aaltonen, Hossa dollars, #5, #8, #55, #74, #120, '19 2nd

Habs grab Kotkaniemi at 5 and Hughes at 8 (I think some combination of Dobson, Tkachuk and Boqvist/Bouchard go at 4, 6 and 7)

Maybe it's the aneurysm talking but looks good to me!!!

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[HockeyDBspecialist]

Hughes is a no for MTL.
Timmins said he would not draft him because " he's too small and can't defend the net" it's BS IMO but it's what timmins said.

 

[rent free]

i'd rather give you jake gardiner and a 2nd than a 1st and aaltonen/brooks

 

[hilarnat]

I could see Arizona and Montreal dance along. Colorado and Toronto won't. Therefore, the Chicago trade becomes irrelevant.

Every trade there is benefiting Montreal. Giving Bergevin's average, it's very unlikely he would pull any one of these trades.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I could see Arizona and Montreal dance along. Colorado and Toronto won't. Therefore, the Chicago trade becomes irrelevant.

Every trade there is benefiting Montreal. Giving Bergevin's average, it's very unlikely he would pull any one of these trades.

Also, Sakic will never get hustled by MB so we won't have a good deal for Pac

 

[Starat327]

Ill defer to Arizona fans, but i wouldnt make that trade if i were them.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Ill defer to Arizona fans, but i wouldnt make that trade if i were them.

Honestly that's the only one I'm pretty confident about and actually think will take place lol. I've seen several Arizona fans say thwy'd easily do 5 + 55+ for 3rd and Zadina would really complete the top six imo

 

[CobraAcesS]

The value isn't that far off for Colorado, but the fit isn't great IMO. Compher is one of few right handed shots that we have for the middle six, and we love Bowers because he may have the best shot at being our #2C outside of Jost and Kamenev. You might find some Avs fans willing to pay for Max P, but I don't think a player at 30 is a fit personally.

We still have some roles in the middle of the roster that needs to be figured out, and a young defense. We may not suck next year, but I doubt we're top three in the division unless we land one of the big fish in UFA/trade.

 

[Jared Dunn]

The value isn't that far off for Colorado, but the fit isn't great IMO. Compher is one of few right handed shots that we have for the middle six, and we love Bowers because he may have the best shot at being our #2C outside of Jost and Kamenev. You might find some Avs fans willing to pay for Max P, but I don't think a player at 30 is a fit personally.

We still have some roles in the middle of the roster that needs to be figured out, and a young defense. We may not suck next year, but I doubt we're top three in the division unless we land one of the big fish in UFA/trade.

I know we're getting hypothetical here, but what if we go under the assumption Stastny is returning?

 

[Jared Dunn]

I could see Arizona and Montreal dance along. Colorado and Toronto won't. Therefore, the Chicago trade becomes irrelevant.

Every trade there is benefiting Montreal. Giving Bergevin's average, it's very unlikely he would pull any one of these trades.

I definitely think Toronto would kick tires on Petry if Habs made him available, and I really don't think that's an unreasonable return for him he's a borderline top pair D on a pretty solid deal

 

[AZviaNJ]

Arizona counters with 3OA for 5OA and 65OA.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Hughes is a no for MTL.
Timmins said he would not draft him because " he's too small and can't defend the net" it's BS IMO but it's what timmins said.

I mean I guess having Mete and Hughes in the top 4 could be kind of problematic but it seems like some dated thinking

 

[Lebowski]

I'd probably do all of those moves to be honest.

Not sure if I'd want to move Petry, but the value would be there.

I'm not sure if Chicago would want to move out of the top 10 when there's a pretty clear cut-off in terms of prospect quality after the top 12ish.

 

[Starat327]

Honestly that's the only one I'm pretty confident about and actually think will take place lol. I've seen several Arizona fans say thwy'd easily do 5 + 55+ for 3rd and Zadina would really complete the top six imo

I wasnt speaking to value in any sense - it may be right from a value standpoint. But I dont think i'd move that much to a team who is being heavily linked to taking Kotkaniemi to move up.

If im arizona, unless im super high on Zadina (and maybe they are, personally im not), im content to let Montreal pick between the consensus 3 (which, if i saw correctly, has actually moved to Tkachuk according to someones rankings) and their need at C, and then take the balance of Kotkaniemi, Zadina, or Tkachuk from Mtl/Ottawa. Just a personal opinion though.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Arizona counters with 3OA for 5OA and 65OA.

55 alone I'd do or 65 + 74

 

[justafan22]

Petry value is there and is fair, but I'd take out the 2019 2nd from the leafs and just do the rest of that deal

 

[Jared Dunn]

I wasnt speaking to value in any sense - it may be right from a value standpoint. But I dont think i'd move that much to a team who is being heavily linked to taking Kotkaniemi to move up.

If im arizona, unless im super high on Zadina (and maybe they are, personally im not), im content to let Montreal pick between the consensus 3 (which, if i saw correctly, has actually moved to Tkachuk according to someones rankings), and then take the balance of Kotkaniemi, Zadina, or Tkachuk from Mtl/Ottawa. Just a personal opinion though.

Yeah that's fair I've just heard some people say Arizona is very high on Zadina. The only way this happens is if they see one of Tkachuk/Zadina as a clearly better fit than the other

 

[hilarnat]

I definitely think Toronto would kick tires on Petry if Habs made him available, and I really don't think that's an unreasonable return for him he's a borderline top pair D on a pretty solid deal

I agree. Toronto would surely be over Petry. Value might not be that far but there is no way I see Bergevin getting that extra 2nd.

 

[Jared Dunn]

I'd probably do all of those moves to be honest.

Not sure if I'd want to move Petry, but the value would be there.

I'm not sure if Chicago would want to move out of the top 10 when there's a pretty clear cut-off in terms of prospect quality after the top 12ish.

I'm not keen on moving him but I'm embracing a rebuild. And yeah Chicago one is sort of a pipe dream to get a second top ten pick but, it is hf after all lol

 

[Jared Dunn]

I agree. Toronto would surely be over Petry. Value might not be that far but there is no way I see Bergevin getting that extra 2nd.

If the 2nd is gone Martin has to be as well but I'd probably still do it from a Habs perspective

 

[sansabri]

I don't see Arizona, Colorado nor Chicago doing those deals. As for Toronto, I wouldn't do it.

 

[AuraSphere]

yeah no... Tanev is the better option and I saw one fan offer 1st + 2nd + prospect. The most Tanev would return is 1st + (bracco/nielsen/timashov)

 

[CobraAcesS]

I know we're getting hypothetical here, but what if we go under the assumption Stastny is returning?

For me it would have to be Tavares or Karlsson. Girard and Z are cusp top 4 D but inconsistent still (Z has stretches of strong play on the top pair). Then we have Makar, Timmins, and Meloche on the way. Until our defense matures a bit around EJ/Barrie we may be a playoff team, but we wont contend. Which IMO would mean we're losing one to two years of wasted production from Max P, that arguably would have a five year shelf life.

I have seen an argument made for Max P helping Jost because hes superior to Skinner defensively, but I don't personally see Jost as our #2C long term. I'd like someone with better size and two way ability personally. Even if Jost succeeds in that role long term it won't be in the 2018 calendar year even with Max P next to him IMO.

I see Stastny as nothing more than a two year stop gap that allows our younger players more time, but I also don't regard Stastny as a player who will launch us into contention because of our young defense. It would take an elite player at a position of need to make up for the inexperience on the rest of the roster IMO.

 

[hilarnat]

Also, Sakic will never get hustled by MB so we won't have a good deal for Pac

Damn right. Pretty safe to say Bowers is not part of that deal. Don't see Bergevin doing better than #16 and Compher and I think I'd be ok with it.

 

[AZviaNJ]

55 alone I'd do or 65 + 74

55 is fair, close enough.....I would do this to get Zadina, don't know if Chayka would.