GDT: Montreal Canadiens @ Detroit Red Wings - 7:30 EST - FSD

[SoupGuru]

Sine dekeysers return we are 0-3-3 and Dekeyser is -8

He hasn't seemed 100%. I thought last night he started to show some good signs.

Then again, over the last 6 games, the Wings have scored 13 goals and let 26 in, so there's ample opportunity to gain some minuses.I guess you could try to say that's because DeKeyser isn't playing well, but I can't think of too many goals that were his fault. I saw him trying to defend two-on-ones down low over and over last night while his teammates watched, though.

 

[SoupGuru]

And here are some interesting numbers: leading the team this season in plus/minus are Ericsson followed by Abdelkader.

 

[Reddwit]

He hasn't seemed 100%. I thought last night he started to show some good signs.

Then again, over the last 6 games, the Wings have scored 13 goals and let 26 in, so there's ample opportunity to gain some minuses.I guess you could try to say that's because DeKeyser isn't playing well, but I can't think of too many goals that were his fault. I saw him trying to defend two-on-ones down low over and over last night while his teammates watched, though.

If you thought Dekeyser was showing good signs last night, then you might be Ken Holland. Dekeyser was terrible last night.

 

[HIFE]

...Its times like that where I realize our defenseman are so average that if they accomplish anything beyond engaged man-to-man coverage, it looks like they're playing great hockey. We could probably play 17 forwards + Green and get the same level of defensive mastery as we do with all of our best defenseman on the ice.

Most the Red Wings are either declining or so painfully mediocre. Jensen is actually an amazing player I wondered about years ago... but his ceiling is as a lower 3rd pairing in the NHL. To be in the upper echelon among the top D is a rare thing, you have to be a game-changer. Kronwall was that guy, like Green, that stand out most the time.

The majority of our forwards are also overrated. Tatar may somehow add up the points by season's end but he doesn't play like a 5.3MIL guy. The contracts for Abdelkader, Nyquist, Helm, Nielsen were not valued with proper foresight. Irrational player assessment and and a lazy acceptance of mediocrity. The right players weren't available so the Wings settled, content to fill roster spots. As others have said the hardcore fans are stuck in limbo again this season: we get no playoffs or a high chance at the #1 pick.

 

[TheMule93]

We probably have the most offensively inept group of dmen in the league. Excluding Green, none of our defenseman have any puck handling skills, and none have a shot. It's soooo boring to watch, you just know that offensive pressure will die as soon as one of em touches the puck. The result is always a blocked shot or a dump in behind the net. None can stick handle, none can walk the line and look for a shooting lane. Even if they could they don't have a shot anyway. Again, this is excluding green, we all know how talented he is on offense.

 

[HIFE]

^^^This is true. What's crazy is Green might not be a top 4 on some teams. He was 3rd pairing and PP specialist his last season in WAS. I do think he's improved since then, having to shoulder such a hefty load with the Wings, but he still has his shortcomings.

 

[TheOtherOne]

We probably have the most offensively inept group of dmen in the league. Excluding Green, none of our defenseman have any puck handling skills, and none have a shot. It's soooo boring to watch, you just know that offensive pressure will die as soon as one of em touches the puck. The result is always a blocked shot or a dump in behind the net. None can stick handle, none can walk the line and look for a shooting lane. Even if they could they don't have a shot anyway. Again, this is excluding green, we all know how talented he is on offense.

That's why i think it would be a mistake to lose Green. Without him, our forwards would be chasing pucks playing 3 on 5 constantly and i can see that hurting their development.

 

[Pavels Dog]

And here are some interesting numbers: leading the team this season in plus/minus are Ericsson followed by Abdelkader.

Both have been good this year.

 

[Frk It]

I'd love to see Dekeyser gone, no matter who replaces him, but he's a terrible buyout candidate.

That was somewhat tongue in cheek, but...

Option 1
18-19 - 5 mil
19-20 - 5 mil
20-21 - 5 mi
21-22 - 5 mil

Option 2
18-19 - 1.583 mil
19-20 - 1.583 mil
20-21 - 2.083 mil
21-22 - 2.083 mil
22-23 - 1.583 mil
23-24 - 1.583 mil
25-26 - 1.583 mil

Doesn’t really seem that terrible to me. He’s not anything you can’t replace for WAY cheaper at this point.

 

[jkutswings]

That's why i think it would be a mistake to lose Green. Without him, our forwards would be chasing pucks playing 3 on 5 constantly and i can see that hurting their development.

Which is why I think there isn't a single 'sacred cow' on the roster. This team has so many holes, that patching 1-2 at a time won't ever get anywhere. Break it all the way down if need be.

I'm not saying I'm eager to deal a Larkin or Mantha, but (IMO) the collective roster is so far away, I'd deal Green for sure, and at least listen for a home run offer on anybody else, but otherwise, they're just gonna have to sink or swim until enough cheap, young talent starts to pan out that the (slow) net impact (particularly on defense) begins to take effect.

And, if you do get a home run offer for somebody, I'm very much of the opinion that it's easier to start with decent defensemen and mediocre forwards than vice versa.

 

[Run the Jewels]

That's why i think it would be a mistake to lose Green. Without him, our forwards would be chasing pucks playing 3 on 5 constantly and i can see that hurting their development.

No offense but that is a terrible idea. It's the same as keeping Howie, Abbie, Helm and Nyquist. You pay a premium and give up way too much term to remain "competitive" which only guarantees you are not the worst team in the league but miss the playoffs.

You can likely get a first round pick for Green in what is widely considered a very deep draft. You need to trade Nyquist as well, he's maxed out his development, sell while there's still value to another team as a third line scoring depth option.

If we're ever going to get out of being one of the 10 worst teams in the league it's going to have to be through drafting and development. You need more at bats, particularly during good draft years. You absolutely cannot continue to sign guys to awful contacts right as they hit the back end of their careers. It's pure lunacy.

 

[PelagicJoe]

I am not opposed to trading Nyquist at this point, especially if it helps our blue line. We have enough wingers.

 

[TheOtherOne]

No offense but that is a terrible idea. It's the same as keeping Howie, Abbie, Helm and Nyquist.

Those guys aren't defensemen. They don't affect the development of Mantha. Mantha and Larkin and AA can play together 20 min a game and be awesome while the other 3 lines give up 12 goals per game and it doesn't affect them. But the backend #1 30 minutes defenseman makes a huge difference on the flow of the game and hence how much real practice they get.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Wings should pull the goalie. Not so much for the extra attacker, but because no goaltender should be subjected to this crappy of defensive play.

 

[theYman]

At least we didn't get shutout. Lol

 

[pucky]

Howard should be taken out. Doesn't care any more.