Proposal: Montreal and Buffalo

[FerrisRox]

This isn't good for both teams. But i have to say, the poster did not say he had a PPG average. Finished off the year ... in other words, over the last 40 games Reinhart was nearly. WAS NEARLY a PPG average. No more words, assumptions, or reading into things is necessary there.

Yup, Reinhart put up 36 points in his last 40 games of the season.

 

[LongWayDown37]

hmm

At 20 years old
Galchenyuk: 46 pts
Reinhart: 42 pts

At 21
Galchenyuk: 56 pts
Reinhart: 47 pts

At 22:
Galchenyuk: 44 pts (pace of 60 pts)
Reinhart: 50 pts

or you could compare apples to apples starting with their first actual seasons

Draft Year +1
Galchenyuk - 31 pts (pace of 39)
Reinhart - 42 pts (pace of 45)

Draft Year +2
Galchenyuk - 46 pts (pace of 47)
Reinhart - 47 pts (pace of 49)

Draft Year +3
Galchenyuk - 56 pts
Reinhart - 50 pts (projecting up - nearly point per game after xmas - but I realize this is unfair.)

I like Reinhart's production better and the contract status makes an even easier preference.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I don't see how Galchenyuk has as much value as Reinhart. They both finished with the same amount of points, Reinhart's younger, and Reinhart finished off the year at almost a ppg average. Plus Reinhart has more years of team control. Reinhart defiantly has more value.

Its arguable that Reinhart has more value, especially for Montreal. And Pacioretty has significantly more value to Montreal than Okposo, who doesn't want to play for Montreal anyways.

Buffalo either adds a lot or nothing happens (And obviously nothing would happen).

I should have explained this better. For a brief second I thought, what if the Sabres just kept ROR and went after some wingers for him and Eichel. I knew the biggest problem was the Canadiens are going to want a lot more for Pacioretty then the Sabers are willing to give. A 29 year old winger with one year left on his deal probably isn't a player the Sabers are going to go all out to try and get. With his contract and age, if Pacioretty is traded, he's probably going to be a deadline trade, not a player trade. Plus, they still need a good defencmen. It was just a thought, and probably not a very good one lol.

You're trading two wingers to target two wingers for Eichel and ROR? and only adding a draft pick? Either you have those wingers already and there is no point to this trade or the value is off for Montreal.

 

[Scintillating10]

I was trying to get an idea of what kind of add the Canadiens would want.

We have plenty of picks. LD we are short on. Maybe circle back to this as draft gets closer?

 

[jfhabs]

I should have explained this better. For a brief second I thought, what if the Sabres just kept ROR and went after some wingers for him and Eichel. I knew the biggest problem was the Canadiens are going to want a lot more for Pacioretty then the Sabers are willing to give. A 29 year old winger with one year left on his deal probably isn't a player the Sabers are going to go all out to try and get. With his contract and age, if Pacioretty is traded, he's probably going to be a deadline trade, not a player trade. Plus, they still need a good defencmen. It was just a thought, and probably not a very good one lol.

So let's make a proposal using 2 of your wingers, for 2 better ones. Easy

 

[Captain Mountain]

or you could compare apples to apples starting with their first actual seasons

Draft Year +1
Galchenyuk - 31 pts (pace of 39)
Reinhart - 42 pts (pace of 45)

Draft Year +2
Galchenyuk - 46 pts (pace of 47)
Reinhart - 47 pts (pace of 49)

Draft Year +3
Galchenyuk - 56 pts
Reinhart - 50 pts (projecting up - nearly point per game after xmas - but I realize this is unfair.)

I like Reinhart's production better and the contract status makes an even easier preference.

First of all, your Reinhart's numbers are really off, since Reinhart only played 9 games in his Draft Year+1, and Galchenyuk had 27 points in 48 games in his Draft Year +1. You started with their Draft Year +2.

Second, here's their production per 60 minutes:

Draft Year +1
Galchenyuk - 2.74
Reinhart - 0.64

Draft Year +2
Gakchenyuk - 1.99
Reinhart - 1.89

Draft Year +3
Galchenyuk - 2.1
Reinhart - 2.07

Draft Year +4
Galchenyuk - 2.52
Reinhart - 2.14

Reinhart gets more points, but he plays more than Galchenyuk.

For the record, I grade Reinhart as more valuable because of his even strength play, but don't expect Canadiens fans to consider Reinhart either a better fit for the Canadiens or more valuable in a trade. I get why Buffalo values him more and from their POV I agree.

And the gap between them is more than negated by the difference between Pacioretty and Okposo.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

Its arguable that Reinhart has more value, especially for Montreal. And Pacioretty has significantly more value to Montreal than Okposo, who doesn't want to play for Montreal anyways.

Buffalo either adds a lot or nothing happens (And obviously nothing would happen).



You're trading two wingers to target two wingers for Eichel and ROR? and only adding a draft pick? Either you have those wingers already and there is no point to this trade or the value is off for Montreal.

IMO Reinharts not a winger. He's a center playing wing because Buffalo has no wingers and 2 #1 centers.

 

[Captain Mountain]

IMO Reinharts not a winger. He's a center playing wing because Buffalo has no wingers and 2 #1 centers.

Your not going to sell Canadiens fans on that at all. First of all, No Habs fan wants the Habs to be trading their best trade-able assets for yet another maybe center/maybe winger. If he's not playing center yet, he's not a center. He's a winger.

2nd of all, even if he is a center, he can still play on the wing. he can be a winger too.

 

[LongWayDown37]

First of all, your Reinhart's numbers are really off, since Reinhart only played 9 games in his Draft Year+1, and Galchenyuk had 27 points in 48 games in his Draft Year +1. You started with their Draft Year +2.

Second, here's their production per 60 minutes:

Draft Year +1
Galchenyuk - 2.74
Reinhart - 0.64

Draft Year +2
Gakchenyuk - 1.99
Reinhart - 1.89

Draft Year +3
Galchenyuk - 2.1
Reinhart - 2.07

Draft Year +4
Galchenyuk - 2.52
Reinhart - 2.14

Reinhart gets more points, but he plays more than Galchenyuk.

For the record, I grade Reinhart as more valuable because of his even strength play, but don't expect Canadiens fans to consider Reinhart either a better fit for the Canadiens or more valuable in a trade. I get why Buffalo values him more and from their POV I agree.

And the gap between them is more than negated by the difference between Pacioretty and Okposo.

Um - the 9 game year was reinhart's draft year. Not Draft year +1.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Um - the 9 game year was reinhart's draft year. Not Draft year +1.

A player's draft year is the year a player was drafted. Not the year after they were drafted. That's their draft year +1.

 

[LongWayDown37]

A player's draft year is the year a player was drafted. Not the year after they were drafted. That's their draft year +1.

Well then whatever, +2. Regardless, I compared apples to apples which was not the case with the previous comparison.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This is worse. No from Buffalo.

Stay tuned for tomorrow's deal that looks even more worse

 

[Captain Mountain]

Well then whatever, +2. Regardless, I compared apples to apples which was not the case with the previous comparison.

As did I, and I much prefer Galchenyuk's production.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

As the OP I concur with everyone. This was a bad idea from the get go. These two teams are not good trading partners. Lets let it die.

 

[LongWayDown37]

As did I, and I much prefer Galchenyuk's production.

The "previous comparison" was kawa whatever - which was not apples to apples.

 

[Captain Mountain]

The "previous comparison" was kawa whatever - which was not apples to apples.

Ya, I got that.

 

[MasterMatt25]

I tell you.

I'm convinced

 

[WeDislikeEich]

Galchenyuk and Reinhart may be similar in their on ice value at this time.

But the fact that Galchenyuk will be an unrestricted free agent in 2 years makes him worth less in my eyes.

I never understood that contract from Montreal's POV. Why hand such a young player (and recent high draft pick) a contract that takes him right to UFA (in the first year he's eligible for it IIRC)?

 

[Dr Quincy]

LOL

Good point.

Pac>>>Okposo

Thanks for the heads up on my mistake!!

 

[Djp]

If buffalo was trading risto or scandella they would get back a D

 

[ole ole]

Um - the 9 game year was reinhart's draft year. Not Draft year +1.

Wrong again.

 

[CDN24]

As the OP I concur with everyone. This was a bad idea from the get go. These two teams are not good trading partners. Lets let it die.

They may be good trading partners just not trading Galchenyuk for Reinhart. There is a report that Buffalo wants to move ROR. Mtl has a surplus of wingers (LW esp you have patches, Galychenyuk and realistically Drouin. I doubt Buffalo has interest in Patchioretty without an extension in place but how about something around ROR for Galchenyuk +. Habs get a 1st/2nd line center. Sabres get a C/LW back. Then one of Galchenyuk and Reinhardt plays 2nd line center and the other on the wing. Not sure what the plus above. Given ROR is a centre, habs would probably be willing to overpay a bit

 

[sufferer]

Not trading Reinstein to a division rival for anything short of a young defenseman with similar upside.