Value of: Montréal wingers

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Are the Habs dealing Tatar and not taking any salary back?

 

[Fatass]

Wingers are the Hab’s biggest strength. They are kind of younger at centre and older on D and in goal, no?

 

[themelkman]

He would still most likely be in the top6. He could also see this as an opportunity to go far in the PO given the Canadian division.

Thats fair, but also weak centers that could hurt his point totals.

 

[Devils8961]

Are the Habs dealing Tatar and not taking any salary back?

I am not sure about this.

My friend who works close to the organization didn't hear anything about salary he just mentioned the discussion about the players involved. (Edited - original sentence made it seem like i had a direct link to the club. This is not the case)

Sidenote i agree with most of the posts so far that talk about it being redundant to move out a winger in place for someone that is already filling that void.

I do think that the possibility of losing Tatar for nothing and not having a replacement during this window of cost certainty for the Canadians would make them consider a longer term solution to fill that role.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I am not sure about this.

My friend who works in the organization didn't hear anything about salary he just mentioned the discussion about the players involved.

Sidenote i agree with most of the posts so far that talk about it being redundant to move out a winger in place for someone that is already filling that void.

I do think that the possibility of losing Tatar for nothing and not having a replacement during this window of cost certainty for the Canadians would make them consider a longer term solution to fill that role.

Your friend works in the habs organization?

 

[Flyer lurker]

Trading Tatar is more realistic that other options I have heard you tubers bring up(just trade Byron and Kulak as example). Tatar's playoff pretty much killed Canadians chance to resign.

Depends on Hoffman deal size. If we are talking 1 year 4.5 or 3 yr 4.75 per and trade Tatar for a late pick yeah I see why. But 4 year Hoffman at 5+m per I wouldn't love it.

 

[McJedi]

Given this isn’t one of those insulting and preposterous Drouin for Girard+ or Tatar for Byram + a first type nonsense proposals, I’ll weigh in constructively.

why are the Habs moving a first line winger for a similar top six winger. Seems like a sideways move that messes with chemistry.

secondly, which teams would trade for Tatar without sending back salary? I can’t think of any. Nor does it make sense for a rebuilding team to waste valuable cap space on a 30 year old rental making over $5mm. They could fill that hole with a UFA or give more ice time to their younger players as the rebuild looking toward future seasons. And are ok with losing in 20-21.

Tatar should have his max value at the trade deadline assuming the Habs want to move him. Today, he’d be traded at deep discount and the fit would be odd. And it affects Habs team chemistry. I don’t see it. Wait this one out and evaluate a trade much closer to April 12th. Potentially to a team with injury concerns, a good playoff spot locked in and the need for top six point getting left wing/shot. He’s a rental. Needs to be traded as such to a playoff team. None have cap space today but injures can open that up. Then you move him for the highest 2021 pick offered. This also assumes the Habs don’t want him for their own playoff run.

this is a player that may walk for nothing in free agency because he’s valuable to the Habs thru the full term of his current contract.

 

[Devils8961]

Your friend works in the habs organization?

I edited my post after re reading (sorry for the miscommunication!)

 

[The Great Weal]

Maybe but I cant see Hoffman wanting a third line role when he could make the same and play first line elsewhere

Hoffman would probably prefer other places you are right, but he would be getting the same ice time as other players on the team plus first wave PP

 

[Djp]

Why would anyone trade for Tatar when they can sign Hoffman for free?

On top of that who can afford him as a cap hit? Not many.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Purely speculative but i heard the following from a friend of mine :

Out: Tatar might not start the season as a Canadian and could be moved for a pick

In: Hoffman might be the roster player taking his place.

Curious what fans / other fanbases feel about this.

I believe the reasoning is that goals are harder to come by especially in a shortened season so if it takes time to get the ball rolling for other offseason acquisitions Hoffman could be another player who can put the puck in the net if their other two wingers are off to slow starts ( and vice versa)

who's your friend? I don't know about hoffman, but i definitely see them moving Tatar for picks or prospects. They're going to need his spot to protect another forward. It's a risk though, he's part of a very productive line and he led team in scoring last year

 

[HuGo Sham]

No teams trading for Tatar with Hoff as an option so your only choice would be sign Hoff first then get like a third for Tatar because cap issues

tatar is worth more than a 3rd. ridiculous

 

[themelkman]

tatar is worth more than a 3rd. ridiculous

Did you ignore what I said. I was saying if they wanted to get rid of Tatar after signing Hoffman. Much like what happened with Vegas and Vancouver

 

[HuGo Sham]

Did you ignore what I said. I was saying if they wanted to get rid of Tatar after signing Hoffman. Much like what happened with Vegas and Vancouver

just because one GM is dumb and desperate doesn't mean it sets a precedent for all future trades. I personally don't think they sign Hoffman. They'd move tatar to make room for someone like anderson or toffoli in the top 6 + cap space for danault + one less forward to protect next summer

 

[Scintillating10]

Purely speculative but i heard the following from a friend of mine :

Out: Tatar might not start the season as a Canadian and could be moved for a pick

In: Hoffman might be the roster player taking his place.

Curious what fans / other fanbases feel about this.

I believe the reasoning is that goals are harder to come by especially in a shortened season so if it takes time to get the ball rolling for other offseason acquisitions Hoffman could be another player who can put the puck in the net if their other two wingers are off to slow starts ( and vice versa)

If Habs were going to do that they would have. Made a lot of moves this off season. They are set to start season.

 

[viceroy]

So was Schmidt. But once you put yourself in a bad spot you have to take less

But we're not in a bad spot.

Are the Habs dealing Tatar and not taking any salary back?

I guess according to the OP.

I was saying if they wanted to get rid of Tatar after signing Hoffman. Much like what happened with Vegas and Vancouver

But why would we pick up Hoffman? He's a locker room cancer. Practically no one wants him. There's always a good reason when a guy has his kind of numbers and interest is limited.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

What's the motivation for Hoffman here? The Habs aren't great down the middle and would be giving up Tatar, their top producing forward. What's the sell? Hey, we'll sign you, trade away our only point producer, and it'll be sunshine and rainbows?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why would anyone trade for Tatar when they can sign Hoffman for free?

Hoffman is free in terms of cap space but Hoffman is also free to sign with who he wants to play for. You can't force him to sign. However, Habs are not going to trade Tatar and then sign Hoffman. Hoffman gives us a PP Left handed shot and there is value there. But I don't see the Habs trading Tatar who is well liked in the dressing room and fits well with Danault and Gallagher. One of the best 5/5 lines in the NHL

Interesting in Hoffman but best to unload Byron & Armia before Tatar. With Anderson, Gallagher, Toffoli, Caufield, and Lehkonen who can play both sides, we probably don't have a top 9 spot for Armia anymore.

 

[Habs Halifax]

What's the motivation for Hoffman here? The Habs aren't great down the middle and would be giving up Tatar, their top producing forward. What's the sell? Hey, we'll sign you, trade away our only point producer, and it'll be sunshine and rainbows?

It's just fans wanting to make moves. Tatar had a bad playoffs and because that is recent memory, he is the latest on the chopping block to those fans who want to make even more moves than what Bergevin already did.

I doubt the Habs are going to trade Tatar and then sign Hoffman. Hoffman would help our PP with his left handed one timer though but if we make that move, we are going to trade Byron and Armia before Tatar. With only 9 teams with $4M or less in cap space, I don't see this happening.

Habs will probably try to move Weal and sign one of Perry or Kovalchuk

 

[Man Bear Pig]

It's just fans wanting to make moves. Tatar had a bad playoffs and because that is recent memory, he is the latest on the chopping block to those fans who want to make even more moves than what Bergevin already did.

I doubt the Habs are going to trade Tatar and then sign Hoffman. Hoffman would help our PP with his left handed one timer though but if we make that move, we are going to trade Byron and Armia before Tatar

Would seem to me the Habs are better off making a trade for another scorer tbh. I know they dealt for Anderson, a massive gamble, but they need more. Moving Tatar out for Hoffman isnt it. The team needs any kind of offense they can get at this point.

 

[Roadhouse]

Would seem to me the Habs are better off making a trade for another scorer tbh. I know they dealt for Anderson, a massive gamble, but they need more. Moving Tatar out for Hoffman isnt it. The team needs any kind of offense they can get at this point.

Negative. Not when Julien's strategy involves winning games 2-1. The offseason additions gave him the balance he wanted, on a bleu-blanc-rouge platter.

It's just like us saying 'Whoa I know you guys signed Brodie, massive gamble to pair with a fellow rover in Reilly, but they need more on D'.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Would seem to me the Habs are better off making a trade for another scorer tbh. I know they dealt for Anderson, a massive gamble, but they need more. Moving Tatar out for Hoffman isnt it. The team needs any kind of offense they can get at this point.

Hoffman would help our PP with his one timer left handed shot. Habs are a solid hockey team with the moves we made. If you wanna talk question marks? I have two of them.

1) PP needs to be top 15, not bottom 5.
2) Suzuki and Kotkaniemi need to take a step forward, not backwards.

If those two issues are not a problem, Habs are going to give teams fits! I can see the Habs finishing anywhere from top 5-15 range and we all know each season depends on momentum and circumstances of injuries. Not expecting a cup or final 4 finish but they can reach the 2nd round.

I just don't see us moving Tatar for Hoffman. Maybe if they can pull this off, you move Byron and Armia and then sign Hoffman. We are not built to be top heavy with offense and a top 5 PP but our team D and goaltending is top notch so we are not going to be easy to beat. Rolling three 2nd lines with an above average 4th line is of value.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Would love to have Tatar on the Sabres but with cap and current roster I just don’t see a move that’d work.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Negative. Not when Julien's strategy involves winning games 2-1. The offseason additions gave him the balance he wanted, on a bleu-blanc-rouge platter.

It's just like us saying 'Whoa I know you guys signed Brodie, massive gamble to pair with a fellow rover in Reilly, but they need more on D'.

Hey, as long as you buy into the propaganda, everyone is happy. 2-1 every night.

 

[Roadhouse]

Hey, as long as you buy into the propaganda, everyone is happy. 2-1 every night.

Why, you suggesting Habs fans rise? Protest Molson for keeping Bergevin?

Been there done that, nobody cares. Acceptance is better than denial.

For you guys it's 6-5 every night though amirite? I wouldn't call it propaganda just because it's the Anti-Leafs model.