MLD 2019 Assassination Thread

[ResilientBeast]

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[tony d]

Phoenix Roadrunners

Coach: Lindy Ruff

Ray Getliffe-Pierre Turgeon-Rick Vaive(A)
Simon Gagne-Neal Broten(A)-Gary Dornhoefer
Scott Hartnell-Steve Kasper-Ron Stewart
Alex Tanguay-Dan Bain-Jason Pominville

Extras: Geoff Courtnall, Keith Primeau

Wade Redden-Jerry Korab(C)
Dallas Smith-Steve Duchesne
Robert Svehla-Bob Armstrong

Extras: Bryan Mccabe, Paul Shmyr

Sergei Bobrovsky
Normie Smith

Special Teams:

PP 1: Ray Getliffe-Pierre Turgeon-Rick Vaive-Wade Redden-Steve Duchesne
PP 2: Simon Gagne-Neal Broten-Gary Dornhoefer-Robert Svehla-Alex Tanguay
PK 1: Steve Kasper-Ron Stewart-Bob Armstrong-Dallas Smith
PK 2: Neal Broten-Jason Pominville-Wade Redden-Jerry Korab

1916 or earlier: Dan Bain
1917-1942: Ray Getliffe, Normie Smith
1943-1965: Dallas Smith, Bob Armstrong
1966-1979: Jerry Korab, Rick Vaive, Gary Dornhoefer, Ron Stewart, Paul Shmyr
1980-1994: Pierre Turgeon, Neal Broten, Steve Kasper, Steve Duchesne, Geoff Courtnall, Keith Primeau
1995-2010: Wade Redden, Simon Gagne, Robert Svehla, Alex Tanguay, Scott Hartnell, Bryan Mccabe, Jason Pominville
in 2019: Sergei Bobrovsky

 

[ResilientBeast]

Coach: Alain Vigneault

Pavol Demitra --- John Tavares (A) --- Brian Bellows
Ray Whitney --- Tyler Seguin --- Terry O'Reilly
Jack Adams --- Mikko Koivu (C) --- Real Cloutier
Rejean Houle --- Bill Hay (A) --- Bruce MacGregor

Mattias Ohlund --- Charlie Huddy
Steve Smith --- Fred Lake
Don Awrey --- Mike Green

Ron Hextall
Evgeni Nabokov
​

Spares - Alf Skinner (RW), Red Berenson (C/LW), Marc-Edouard Vlasic (D), Don Lever (W), Clem Loughlin (D)

PP1: Adams - Tavares - Seguin - Cloutier - Green
PP2: Whitney - Demitra - Bellows- Ohlund - Smith
PK1: MacGregor - Hay - Ohlund - Huddy
PK2: Koivu - Demitra - Smith - Awrey

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

If this thing stays open through early next week, I'll contribute. Don't anticipate being on this forum much over the holiday weekend.

 

[ResilientBeast]

@Habsfan18 @tinyzombies

If you guys will participate we will extend till voting

Otherwise we may as well move forward

 

[Habsfan18]

@Habsfan18 @tinyzombies

If you guys will participate we will extend till voting

Otherwise we may as well move forward

Is anyone planning on doing any assassinations?

It would be nice if a few people who aren’t in the draft would do some. It’s always nice to see impartial non-GM’s give their opinions.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Is anyone planning on doing any assassinations?

It would be nice if a few people who aren’t in the draft would do some. It’s always nice to see impartial non-GM’s give their opinions.

Sounds like TDMM would and I would if others participated.

 

[Habsfan18]

Sounds like TDMM would and I would if others participated.

If we have others participating I will absolutely try and set some time aside to do a few. If the participation just isn’t there I’d say let’s move on with the voting.

Here’s hoping we actually have voting turnout..

 

[tinyzombies]

N.D.G. (Montreal) BEARS​

Coach: Ken Hitchcock
Captain: Wendel Clark

Wendel Clark - Bernie Nicholls - Alexei Kovalev
Dave Balon - Rick MacLeish - Marian Gaborik
Percy Galbraith - Fleming Mackell - Mush March
Taylor Hall - Kent Nilsson/Tommy Dunderdale - Harry Hyland
Marc Savard

Paul Reinhart - Doug Barkley
Lars-Erik Sjöberg - James Patrick
Craig Hartsburg - Ken Morrow
Stefan Persson
Zinetula Bilyaletdinov

Pekka Rinne
Vladimir Dzurilla

PP1: Nicholls - Nilsson - Kovalev - Reinhardt - Sjoberg
PP2: MacLeish - Clark - Hyland - Barkley - Hartsburg
PK1: Galbraith - Mackell- Hartsburg - Morrow
PK2: March - Balon - Reinhart - Patrick

1916 or earlier: Hyland
1917-1942: March, Galbraith
1943-1965: Barkley, Mackell
1966-1979: MacLeish, Sjoberg, Balon, Dzurilla
1980-1994: Nicholls, Kovalev, Patrick, Clark, Morrow, Hartsburg, Nilsson
1995-2010: Gaborik, Hitchcock
in 2019: Rinne, Hall​

 

[ResilientBeast]

Let's extend till Wednesday, anyone who posts their roster will get some comments from me

 

[Habsfan18]

Nova Scotia Voyageurs

Coach: Viktor Tikhonov

Captain: Doug Weight
Alternate: Ryan Smyth
Alternate: Brent Seabrook

Charlie Simmer-Doug Weight-Milan Hejduk
Gaye Stewart-Pete Mahovlich-Viktor Shalimov
Ryan Smyth-Mike Ridley-Jean Pronovost
Mel Bridgman-Ulf Nilsson-Anders Hedberg

Jay Bouwmeester - Jiri Bubla
Goldie Prodgers - Brent Seabrook
Tomas Kaberle - Jamie Macoun

Mike Liut
Alec Connell

Spares: Ed Jovanovski, Vsevolod Bobrov, Doug Risebrough, Tomas Sandstrom

PP1: Simmer-Weight-Hejduk-Kaberle-Bubla
PP2: Smyth-Mahovlich-Shalimov-Prodgers-Seabrook

PK1: Bridgman-Ridley-Macoun-Bouwmeester
PK2: Pronovost-Mahovlich-Seabrook-Bubla

 

[Habsfan18]

Busy tonight and tomorrow but I may have some time for assassinations/comments on Tuesday night.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Coach: Alain Vigneault

Pavol Demitra --- John Tavares (A) --- Brian Bellows
Ray Whitney --- Tyler Seguin --- Terry O'Reilly
Jack Adams --- Mikko Koivu (C) --- Real Cloutier
Rejean Houle --- Bill Hay (A) --- Bruce MacGregor

Mattias Ohlund --- Charlie Huddy
Steve Smith --- Fred Lake
Don Awrey --- Mike Green

Ron Hextall
Evgeni Nabokov
​

Spares - Alf Skinner (RW), Red Berenson (C/LW), Marc-Edouard Vlasic (D), Don Lever (W), Clem Loughlin (D)

PP1: Adams - Tavares - Seguin - Cloutier - Green
PP2: Whitney - Demitra - Bellows- Ohlund - Smith
PK1: MacGregor - Hay - Ohlund - Huddy
PK2: Koivu - Demitra - Smith - Awrey

Even if we open voting I hope to get around to each team with some comments

To get the juices flowing a quick self-assassination

Forwards

First line works conceptually, Tavares a shoot first center with passable all around game with Demtria a good passing first defensive winger. Bellows is there to crash and bang and dig out the puck. It's a classic ATD line where you divide up different tasks among each player.

Second line, Seguin has a strong VsX 7 year and passable voting records but is he really that much better than other second line centers who provide more all around? Seguin is pretty balanced offensively so Whitney is paired with him much like Demitra with Tavares....except neither of them are particularly good defensively or physical so all glue guy tasks are left to O'Reilly which is definitely not ideal...

Third line, what a beautiful mess I created. Koivu is a good enough 2way center and is paired a usual perennial ATD player in Adams who is willing to fight and get dirty in the corners and a one way offensive superstar in Cloutier. Cloutier is probably my best offensive winger and could some damage if the matchups work out, but this line is poised with Koivu to "shutdown" and might struggle doing so.

Fourth line, shadow line players fit the needs of the team

Defense

Top pairing, two minute munchers who can move the puck unsure of the talent level relative to others but stylistically makes sense

Second pairing, see above Lake strikes me as undervalued but I didn't really find the time to give him the bio treatment he deserves

Third pairing, Bobby Orr's old partner will protect my team from the downsides of Mike Green

Goalie, a great money goalie and a great regular season guy. I'd expect our coach to platoon them similar to the Islanders dynasty

 

[ResilientBeast]

Phoenix Roadrunners

Coach: Lindy Ruff

Ray Getliffe-Pierre Turgeon-Rick Vaive(A)
Simon Gagne-Neal Broten(A)-Gary Dornhoefer
Scott Hartnell-Steve Kasper-Ron Stewart
Alex Tanguay-Dan Bain-Jason Pominville

Extras: Geoff Courtnall, Keith Primeau

Wade Redden-Jerry Korab(C)
Dallas Smith-Steve Duchesne
Robert Svehla-Bob Armstrong

Extras: Bryan Mccabe, Paul Shmyr

Sergei Bobrovsky
Normie Smith

Special Teams:

PP 1: Ray Getliffe-Pierre Turgeon-Rick Vaive-Wade Redden-Steve Duchesne
PP 2: Simon Gagne-Neal Broten-Gary Dornhoefer-Robert Svehla-Alex Tanguay
PK 1: Steve Kasper-Ron Stewart-Bob Armstrong-Dallas Smith
PK 2: Neal Broten-Jason Pominville-Wade Redden-Jerry Korab

1916 or earlier: Dan Bain
1917-1942: Ray Getliffe, Normie Smith
1943-1965: Dallas Smith, Bob Armstrong
1966-1979: Jerry Korab, Rick Vaive, Gary Dornhoefer, Ron Stewart, Paul Shmyr
1980-1994: Pierre Turgeon, Neal Broten, Steve Kasper, Steve Duchesne, Geoff Courtnall, Keith Primeau
1995-2010: Wade Redden, Simon Gagne, Robert Svehla, Alex Tanguay, Scott Hartnell, Bryan Mccabe, Jason Pominville
in 2019: Sergei Bobrovsky

My biggest question with your team @tony d is where is the offence going to come from? Your wingers strike me as weak on offence compared to other teams. 5 of your six top 6 players don't make HO summary VsX charts.

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I just don't feel like Bobrovsky is an all time great goalie. But that might just be recency bias

 

[tinyzombies]

Click to expand for comments on my lineup (drawn from bios).

N.D.G. (Montreal) BEARS

Coach: Ken Hitchcock (3rd all-time in wins; SC winner)

Captain: Wendel Clark (I think solid captain material)
Alternates: Harry Hyland (was captain of the Wanderers), Fleming Mackell (wore the A in Boston)

Wendel Clark - Bernie Nicholls - Alexei Kovalev
Nicholls (Pass): 80.6 VS7 Pts; 5th player to score 150 pts, 3x AS.
Kovalev (Carry/Score): 75.3 VS7 Pts; 6-2, 222 lbs.; Hitch/Clark will kick him in the ass.
Clark (Bang/Score): 30.5 VsX7 goals; 7 30 Goal Seasons; 69 points in 95 career playoff games; 90th All Time in Career playoff penalty minutes; 2x AS. "Skating and puckhandling abilities - he had an incredible wrist shot"

Dave Balon - Rick MacLeish - Marian Gaborik
MacLeish: 73.3 V7Pts, 36.1 V7G. 107 pts in 114 career playoff games, 3x AS.
Balon (Defend/Dig/Score): HHOF said: "Balon was assigned to check opposing stars such as Gordie Howe and Bobby Hull, and his savvy play garnered him one of the best plus-minus ratings in the league."; 2x SC; 4x AS. ES Goals: 3, 9, 9, 10. "Balon was strong in the playoffs with his two-way play and led the playoffs in assists." NYT said: “He was one of the best defensive forwards in the league,” said Emile Francis, the Rangers’ longtime coach and general manager.
Gabork: 38.6 VsX goals, blazing speed and acceleration.

Percy Galbraith - Fleming Mackell - Mush March
Mackell: 6th in Play-off Points per Game, 79% of 2nd place Bernie Geoffrion; 2x SC; 1st AS ('53); Greatest Hockey Legends said: "When he was called upon by the Leafs he was expected to be a defensive-minded winger with rugged intentions. He was considered by many to be the fastest skater in the league when he played, despite a bowlegged stance." "specialty teams specialist. He was a regular on both the power play and penalty kill units, thanks to his speed.; Ultimate Hockey said: "Tough, chippy little center; maddening guy to play against; tricky; superb acceleration, was a nifty stick-handler, and had a star quality shot. And the boy had heart."
March: "Tied for 3rd in a 1934 writers poll for "fastest skater" behind Howie Morenz and Busher Jackson; Awarded a "Retroactive Selke" by Ultimate Hockey for 1939"
Galbraith: Ultimate Hockey awarded him: “Best Defensive Forward” of 1920-29; “Best Penalty Killer” of 1920-29;
“Best Shadow” of 1920-29; Play-off Points – 1st(1927), 3rd(1930); Play-off Goals – 3rd(1927), 5th(1928); Play-off Assists – 1st(1927), 2nd(1930)​

Taylor Hall - Kent Nilsson/Tommy Dunderdale - Harry Hyland
Marc Savard
Dunderdale: HHOF; 6x PCHA AS & all-time career leader in goals scored. 3x topped the PCHA in goals, 3x won the league championship and even led all skaters in penalty minutes one season; agile; known to backcheck; speedy, mobile puckhandler who weaves through traffic with skill and chases the play.
Nilsson: "33 $PPP/82 tops the list of players available. That's 9th place all-time, ever (tied)."; SC; 2x AS.
Hall: Hart winner; 2nd in Pts/60 (2018); 71.8 VsPts; 31.1 VsG; 47 VsA; 22 $PPP/82.
Hyland: HHOF; 1911-1915 (first in goals/game in NHA ahead of Malone); "A fast skater with powerful, accurate shot."; "not much a playmaker"; "A small but tough little bugger"; "Fast and tricky stickhandler."; "Appears to have been a scrapper.: (From ATD bio.)
Savard: 28 $PPP/82; 59.8 VsA; 73.3 VsP




Paul Reinhart - Doug Barkley
Barkley: "A big and physical defenseman who started his NHL career at a late age and had it end far too early. ... Could have become one of the most dominant defensemen of his time if it was not for a career ending eye injury." During 4 year peak(only 4 full years in NHL): 3rd in goals, 3rd in assists, 4th in points(90% of 2nd place Howell).
Reinhart: LOH said: "Superior two-way defender with versatility." "(P)lenty of offensive spark, especially setting up goals ... very strong playoff performer (77 points in 83 contests).

Lars-Erik Sjöberg - James Patrick
Patrick: "Strong positional play."; "Excellent skater in every way - speed, agility and power. His skating was amplified by his superior puck handling ability, often rushing the puck. He had a great point shot, always kept low for tips and rebounds."; "Not an elite passer."
Sjöberg: "A short, robust man ... refused to surrender to the big, powerful players from Canada and he frequently used his favorite maneuver, the hipcheck. ... Swedish national team's leading defenseman in the late 1960s and early 1970s because of his excellent skating skills and persistent training. His talent for choosing the right position, combined with effective bodychecking, made him a virtually impenetrable force to opposing forwards. At the same time, he managed to avoid foul play and behaved with the dignity befitting a true athlete. ... He's the "mind" of the defense...Ranks with Mark Howe for mobility on defense...His tight circles, sudden bursts and dancing dekes drive forecheckers crazy...A good rusher...Works hard to improve his shot.."

Craig Hartsburg - Ken Morrow
Morrow: From his ATD bio: "Most defensive" defencemen of the ATD (modern era)"; 4x SC; Miracle on Ice.Plus/Minus #1 finishes (7).
Hartsburg: 3x AS; poise; steady point production; rusher; fantastic passer; quarterback PP; vision; creativity; strong/big; very sound defensively; active stick. (All from ATD bio.)
Stefan Persson: "24 $PPP/82"; 4x SC
Zinetula Bilyaletdinov: From bio: aggressive, hard hitting shut down hockey

Pekka Rinne/Vladimir Dzurilla
Rinne; 347-187, .919, 56 SO
Dzurilla: "World champion in 1972, 1976 and 1977, a silver medalist in 1965, 1966 and 1968, and a bronze medalist in 1963, 1964, 1969 and 1970. He was a four-time Olympian with two silver and two bronze medals, a 1976 Canada Cup hero, earned the 1965 IIHF Directorate best goalkeeper award, and was a 1965 and 1969 IIHF World Championship tournament all-star."


PP1: Nicholls (9x 25+ pts on the PP) - Nilsson - Kovalev - Reinhardt - Sjoberg
PP2: MacLeish - Clark - Hyland - Barkley - Hartsburg

PK1: Galbraith - Mackell- Hartsburg - Morrow
PK2*: March - Balon - Reinhart - Patrick

*Slide MacLeish on PK2 if I need a goal: 23 short handed goals ranks him 47th all time

1916 or earlier: Hyland
1917-1942: March, Galbraith
1943-1965: Barkley, Mackell
1966-1979: MacLeish, Sjoberg, Balon, Dzurilla
1980-1994: Nicholls, Kovalev, Patrick, Clark, Morrow, Hartsburg, Nilsson
1995-2010: Gaborik, Hitchcock
in 2019: Rinne, Hall​

 

[ResilientBeast]

@tony d @TheDevilMadeMe @Habsfan18 @tinyzombies

Voting is now open please send your votes to @Johnny Engine who will vote as a bystander

@seventieslord if you've got the time maybe toss a vote in as well?

 

[ResilientBeast]

Let's say friday soft deadline

 

[Habsfan18]

Voting on the order of regular season standings, correct? 1 through 6?

Been a busy week, will vote tomorrow night.

 

[tony d]

I voted.

 

[Habsfan18]

Sorry I didn’t have time for assassinations. Been a busy week and if I was going to provide analysis I didn’t want to half ass it.

I sent my votes for regular season standings to @Johnny Engine. Good luck everyone!

 

[ResilientBeast]

Once JE tallies/releases the votes

1, 2 bye

3-6
4-5

 

[tinyzombies]

Voted.

 

[Johnny Engine]

I have all but one set of votes, and no outside votes.
If it's alright with everyone, I'll tally them up breakfast time tomorrow.