MLB work stoppage almost certain on Dec. 2

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Major League Baseball work stoppage almost certain on Dec. 2 - TSN.ca

Baseball’s ninth work stoppage and first in 26 years appears almost certain to start Dec. 2, freezing the free-agent market and threatening the start of spring training in February.

Negotiations have been taking place since last spring, and each side thinks the other has not made proposals that will lead toward an agreement replacing the five-year contract that expires at 11:59 p.m. EST on Dec. 1.
The luxury tax system that started with the 2003 season sunsets with the expiration of the labor contract, with the exception of completing accounting and payments for the 2021 tax year. Uncertainty over the 2022 season probably will cause high-spending clubs to delay reaching pricier player agreements.

Free agents can start signing with any team on the sixth day following the World Series, and this year’s group includes Carlos Correa, Corey Seager, Freddie Freeman, Trevor Story, Max Scherzer, Marcus Semien, Kris Bryant, Anthony Rizzo, Michael Conforto and Kevin Gausman.

MLB may attempt a signing freeze with the start of a lockout, or the marketplace might grind to a halt on its own, even more pronounced than the slowdowns of the 2017-18 and 2018-19 offseasons.

New York Yankees general manager Brian Cashman doesn’t know the parameters of what he has to spend.
“I have yet to have the conversation yet with what potentials, acknowledging that we have budget commitments already in play and depending on how the new collective bargaining agreement works out over the course of time, hopefully sooner than later,” he said.

Agents say they have received no guidance from the players’ association. Some have braced for a two-week scramble to sign next March or later, whenever a lockout ends.

This lack of pace in negotiations is similar to what occurred in 1989-90, when the agreement expired Dec. 31 and owners announced on Jan. 9 that a lockout would begin Feb. 15 absent an agreement. A deal was reached March 1 and opening day was delayed a week until April 9, causing 78 games to be postponed and rescheduled.

Teams have proposed eliminating salary arbitration and allowing players to become free agents in the offseason after they turn 29 1/2 rather than the six seasons of major league service in place since 1976. They have proposed a lower luxury threshold along with a payroll floor. Players have refused for decades to consider a payroll floor, feeling it would lead to a salary cap.

Concerned with “tanking” by rebuilding teams and a slide in spending on major league payrolls, players want changes in the current deal, which calls for payrolls to be taxed above $210 million (using average annual values plus benefits) and includes surtaxes that went into place for 2017. Management’s proposal called for the threshold to be dropped to $180 million, another factor that may gridlock many free agent negotiations.
The average major league salary dropped from $4,097,122 in 2017 to $3,881,021 in 2020, before accounting for prorated pay caused by the pandemic, according to the players’ association. Based on this year’s opening-day payrolls, the final figure for 2021 is projected to be about $3.7 million.

Baseball was interrupted by eight work stoppages from 1972-95, the last a 7 1/2-month strike in 1994-95 that wiped out the World Series for the first time in 90 years. The closest the sport has come to another stoppage was in 2002, when an agreement was reached on Aug. 30 about 3 1/2 hours before players had been set to strike. That marked the first agreement without a stoppage since 1969.

Agreements were reached before the expiration on Oct. 24 in 2006, on Nov. 22 in 2011 and on Nov. 30 in 2016.

As bargaining sputtered this year, the union began a grievance hearing before arbitrator Martin F. Scheinman on Sept. 27 on its claim that the 60-game schedule in the 2020 pandemic-affected season was too short. Jeffrey L. Kessler, the Winston & Strawn co-executive chairman, gave a four-hour opening argument on behalf of the union, a person familiar with the hearing said, speaking to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the sides have not commented on the session.

Kessler declined to comment.
 

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Hopefully the changes to free agency will lead to the adoption of the pitch clock in the majors as a compromise from the players.If the only change in terms of the rules on the field are a universal DH and reverting to the old overtime rules. It will show that both sides are content with letting the game die a slow death.
 

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How a Major League Baseball lockout would work this winter
Paywall.
The Athletic primer on negotiations/lockout threats.

Introduction to players in negotiations
But on the core economics, the piece both sides are most concerned with, the gap is large. The league and union have made one such proposal each, and neither was well received by the other party. More discussions are to come as the deadline nears. Although Clark and Manfred are both involved strategically, the talks at the table have been headed by their lieutenants, chief operating officer Dan Halem for MLB, and senior director of collective bargaining and legal Bruce Meyer for the MLBPA.
 

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I would go as far as saying no more shifts. 2.75 hour limit? Why even have 9 innings then, just play until the time limit, whether that's 6 innings or 12 innings.

Can you imagine if one team fouls off more pitches the time clock runs out and the other team only had X amount of times at bat? lol
 

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I would go as far as saying no more shifts. 2.75 hour limit? Why even have 9 innings then, just play until the time limit, whether that's 6 innings or 12 innings.

no reason to outlaw the shift

players just need not be meatheads and take the guaranteed single or double by bunting against the shift

As to speed up the game, go to a 5 active pitcher limit per game, and use the NL strike zone from the 90s. Game length takes care of itself then
 
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Seems like the league wants Vegas but I am not sure how great baseball is going to be in the desert heat during the summer.

And Las Vegas seems to be the landing spot for the Athletics if Oakland doesn't come through for new stadium.

My guess is that any baseball stadium in Las Vegas would be "domed" and fully air conditioned. However the minor league stadium is open air, and is usually packed close to its 10k capacity through the summer (usually evening/night games, not late afternoon when the heat of the day is). It is a "dry" heat (maybe 10% humidity compared to 79% in Houston in August) and you know to drink a lot of water. There's always the possibility of a movable roof. (March-May and October are usually great weather months of the baseball season.)

The Summerlin location may be 5F cooler than the resort corridor because of how it sits in the valley.
 

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2 more teams (Montreal and Portland)
Geographical Conferences

I'm fine without geographical conferences and I also doubt they will ever change that due to the history. Given teams play 3/4 game sets its not a big deal to have teams all over the map in each conference. It would be taxing if it was like the NHL or NBA where you're playing in multiple different locations every week.

What's your plan with the time limit? Its a tie if the game reaches the limit? While games do take too long sometimes, not sure a designated time limit is the answer.

Montreal is likely to get a team, but the other team will likely be in Nashville rather than Portland.

Unless there is a plan locked in place to build a new stadium, they won't be getting a team anytime soon. & while I know Bronfman has mentioned wanting to get a team back there, it doesn't seem like thats gained much steam nor have any other potential owners spoken up.

Nashville - good call. Rapidly growing city and I think it would be amazing for the MLB to go there.
 

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I'm fine without geographical conferences and I also doubt they will ever change that due to the history. Given teams play 3/4 game sets its not a big deal to have teams all over the map in each conference. It would be taxing if it was like the NHL or NBA where you're playing in multiple different locations every week.

What's your plan with the time limit? Its a tie if the game reaches the limit? While games do take too long sometimes, not sure a designated time limit is the answer.

Yes, a tie. That's what happens in little league. Probably the only permanent solution to the time problem.


Unless there is a plan locked in place to build a new stadium, they won't be getting a team anytime soon. & while I know Bronfman has mentioned wanting to get a team back there, it doesn't seem like thats gained much steam nor have any other potential owners spoken up.

Nashville - good call. Rapidly growing city and I think it would be amazing for the MLB to go there.
Nashville has even less of a plan and they are half the size of Montreal. Don't know why the Braves would allow this either.
 

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Nashville has even less of a plan and they are half the size of Montreal. Don't know why the Braves would allow this either.

If the Braves, at 235 miles away, can somehow object I wonder what the Reds who are only 35 miles further would have to say. In truth that should be far away enough for comfort.

The real boat MLB is missing is North Carolina. Right now MLB is largely invisible there given how the Orioles/Nationals do no marketing there and the eternal Spectrum/MASN conflict effecting most of the state.
 

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If the Braves, at 235 miles away, can somehow object I wonder what the Reds who are only 35 miles further would have to say. In truth that should be far away enough for comfort.

The real boat MLB is missing is North Carolina. Right now MLB is largely invisible there given how the Orioles/Nationals do no marketing there and the eternal Spectrum/MASN conflict effecting most of the state.


You can correct me on this. But one reason NC does not have a team is because in the state, collage ball comes first?
 

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Unless there is a plan locked in place to build a new stadium, they won't be getting a team anytime soon. & while I know Bronfman has mentioned wanting to get a team back there, it doesn't seem like thats gained much steam nor have any other potential owners spoken up.

MLB is focusing on CBA but a vote on twin city project could be coming soon after.

Rays pitch Montreal plan, MLB owners take no action for now

Rays can't move before 2028 anyway.
 

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Yes, a tie. That's what happens in little league. Probably the only permanent solution to the time problem.


Nashville has even less of a plan and they are half the size of Montreal. Don't know why the Braves would allow this either.

What do the Braves have to do with Nashville? It's like 4 and 1/2 hours away.
 

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