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Doesn't Werenski plays LHD? So not ideal. Leafs are pitiful on the right and actually pretty solid on the left.Kadri & Liljegren for Werenski?
Doesn't Werenski plays LHD? So not ideal. Leafs are pitiful on the right and actually pretty solid on the left.Kadri & Liljegren for Werenski?
I think it's far more likely that the Leafs will let Liljegren develop and the Jackets will let Abramov and Foudy develop. (Also, since you mentioned Jones, you forgot to mention Matthews - he's in similar "no way no how don't bother asking" territory, even with JT.)I could see a day when the CBJ really want to upgrade their scoring (like if Panarin leaves) and I could see the Leafs talking to them to balance out their roster and core, and I would expect something in the realm of Jones, Werenski, Nylander, Marner and other things in some combination. But that's not for a little while yet.
Snaps fingers...wake up!!!Jones is honestly probably worth more than Matthews.
Looked up Jones' contract. That was a steal by the Jackets.I'm a HUGE Leafs fan. This is so lopsided in Toronto's favor it isn't even funny.
Jones is much more valuable than Mitch.
Makes sense for the Leafs that way, but for the Jackets, the limit for any Jones trade is still "no interest, have a nice day".Looked up Jones' contract. That was a steal by the Jackets.
Maybe the Leafs could bundle a secondary player with Marner, but that is pretty much the limit for a trade for Jones. Even with that great contract, he isn't worth near Matthews so that wouldn't happen.
Makes sense for the Leafs that way, but for the Jackets, the limit for any Jones trade is still "no interest, have a nice day".
True. Jones for Kadri & Liljegren would make more sense, but i was particularly interested in seeing if there was any chance that Werenski was more expendable, seeing as Jones is borderline untouchable.Doesn't Werenski plays LHD? So not ideal. Leafs are pitiful on the right and actually pretty solid on the left.
C'mon, we both know that isn't true. Theoretically, if Edmonton offered you McDavid 1 for 1 or Toronto offered Matthews you really think the Jackets would turn that down? They would be beyond foolish to do so.Makes sense for the Leafs that way, but for the Jackets, the limit for any Jones trade is still "no interest, have a nice day".
If the Jackets weren't going to bite for Marner, I don't think they would for Kadri+Liljegren. Honestly, it might even take Marner +Liljegren... which would hurt a lot (particularly if Liljegren turns into a solid top-4 D and Marner turns into the ppg powerhouse he looks primed to be), but would be an all-in move.True. Jones for Kadri & Liljegren would make more sense, but i was particularly interested in seeing if there was any chance that Werenski was more expendable, seeing as Jones is borderline untouchable.
I can see the argument for him being worth more then Marner, but certainly not Matthews.
Yes. Absolutely, 100%, no question. Because McDavid is (and Matthews shortly will be) paid something kind of like a fair market wage and Jones is on one of the best value contracts in the League. And PLD right now is good enough that we don't have that pressing of a need for a #1C (he just might be one himself, albeit not as good as those guys), but we have nothing behind Jones in terms of good enough RHDs that provide what he does.C'mon, we both know that isn't true. Theoretically, if Edmonton offered you McDavid 1 for 1 or Toronto offered Matthews you really think the Jackets would turn that down?
Honestly, I still don't think so. I think Matthews could very likely win a Hart trophy in his career, I can't see that for Jones. There is a clear quality difference there, even though Jones is really good.Once Matthews starts making +10M there is certainly an argument to be made that Jones is worth more at 5.4M
If you say so. Jones is still closer to the Norris than Matthews is to the Art Ross.Honestly, I still don't think so. I think Matthews could very likely win a Hart trophy in his career, I can't see that for Jones.
Talk about a block-buster. It immediately upgrades Columbus’ offence and Toronto’s defence. It would be a painful trade for both teams but one where they are ultimately trading from an area of strength to cover an area of weakness.
What are your guys thoughts? Is this fair value going each way?
Seriously, McDavid is the best player of this generation, by a substantial margin and he is coming off back-to-back Art Ross trophies and he is still just 21. That seems nuts not to trade anyone for him 1 for 1, to hell with the cap hit.Yes. Absolutely, 100%, no question. Because McDavid is (and Matthews shortly will be) paid something kind of like a fair market wage and Jones is on one of the best value contracts in the League. And PLD right now is good enough that we don't have that pressing of a need for a #1C (he just might be one himself, albeit not as good as those guys), but we have nothing behind Jones in terms of good enough RHDs that provide what he does.
And yet his team missed the playoffs. Hockey is very much a team sport. We can approximate something kinda sorta like McDavid's role with PLD. We can't approximate a Jones replacement. And we've built our team strategies around having guys like Jones and Werenski and Nutivaara.Seriously, McDavid is the best player of this generation, by a substantial margin and he is coming off back-to-back Art Ross trophies and he is still just 21. That seems nuts not to trade anyone for him, to hell with the cap hit.
Honestly, I still don't think so. I think Matthews could very likely win a Hart trophy in his career, I can't see that for Jones. There is a clear quality difference there, even though Jones is really good.