Miscellaneous NHL Talk XXXII - A full set of teeth (September edition)

[Captain Dave Poulin]

****, I was really looking forward to the stoppage.

 

[deadhead]

lol, come on Neuvy hang em up for gods sake...

the body is saying its over...

Just hang in there for one more paycheck . . .

 

[Rebels57]

No lockout!! So happy. Our luck we'd be primed for a Cup run right as lockout hits or some such shit.

 

[Curufinwe]

Nah, we'll get a CBO to use on Hayes in 2023.

 

[Rebels57]

This is f***ing histerical ..and also sad

 

[Jray42]

This is ****ing histerical

poor guy needs to hang em up

 

[Tripod]

I love when Brian Burke talks like this:

"Dubas should have followed the blueprint of kicking Nylander's ass until his nose bled and save money on him to show the next 2 that they would be fighting over money"

Talking on Tim & Sid right now.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Apparently a three year deal, no numbers yet on caphit/AAV.

 

[Chinatown88]

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Have any of these rfa deals been unfair...? We keep waiting waiting waiting and then, this is probably what should have been agreed upon day one.

I’d like 12 million, max term.

We will give you 1 million, 1 year.

Can I have 1 year but 20 million.

We will do two, but no more than 2 million.

This continues to the chagrin of fans everywhere until the day they sign.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Have any of these rfa deals been unfair...? We keep waiting waiting waiting and then, this is probably what should have been agreed upon day one.

Marner.

But yep, that's it.

 

[prototypical4thliner]

Marner.

But yep, that's it.

Touché.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I would still say in totality the teams still won this round despite all the talk. They didn’t win as big as they did in perhaps the past but they still won.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I would still say in totality the teams still won this round despite all the talk. They didn’t win as big as they did in perhaps the past but they still won.

They'll always have an edge until the offer sheet becomes a legitimate option.

 

[deadhead]

The veterans will want to keep RFA deals down and the next CBA will probably have more structured salaries for that reason.
If RFAs get paid close to UFA money, the 30 and older veterans will be squeezed to death by the salary cap.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

This is the worst possible contract Canucks could sign him to. They will be lucky to make playoffs in that period.

 

[OzFlyers]

Bullet dodged...

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Carlo, Point, Tkachuck, Connor, Rantanen, Laine and Marleau are only unsigned players left. Seems like things won't turn out nearly as dramatic as we were lead to believe so. At least we have to spectacle of Aho offersheet to look back upon.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Bullet dodged...

In the same vain we ought to trade for virtanen goal scoring machine.

 

[OzFlyers]

In the same vain we ought to trade for virtanen goal scoring machine.

Upping his trade value.

 

[Rebels57]

Bullet dodged...

Jeering a goalie in preseason is pathetic.

 

[Jtown]

Marner.

But yep, that's it.

I know this doesn't need to be addressed again, but the degree in which Dubas royally screwed up the Matthews and Nylander deals paved a clear path for Marner to get what he got. Matthews was handed the best deal in NHL history on a silver platter. I hope the moment that Matthews signed his deal, McDavid fired his agent. How do you not use the McDavid contract as a ceiling when negotiating. If y0u're going to give him that contract you have to lock him up for 8 years, simple as that.

Dubas then follows that up with the Nylander deal. William Nylander is a fine player who is being overpaid by about 2 million dollars a year, thats all. Whom would you rather have, TK at 5.5 or Nylander at 7.5, it's a no brainer for me. How about comparing him to someone in his same draft class like Ehlers. Very comparable players and production yet Ehlers gets paid 1.5 millon dollars a year less and giving up an extra ufa year.

Then we come to Marner. Well after you paved the way with the Matthews contract how could Marner ask for anything less since he outproduced him last year, and is arguably their best player. So while Marner not have as great of a deal as Matthews, his deal is still 2nd best in the league. Dubas has used the same structure for the Tavares, Marner, and Matthews contract.

Everyone thought that with all these RFA deals of late that it was going to become this RFA revolution, but the reality is that Dubas is the only GM that gave into this belief that RFA's had to have their ego's stroked and by the looks of it no other GM has followed suit. These deals are going to cost TML a cup, no amount of slick drafting and managing is ever going to make up for the cap hit these contracts make up. Not saying they aren't great players, but their talent to cap hit are so incongruent from the rest of the contracts in their class.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Then we come to Marner. Well after you paved the way with the Matthews contract how could Marner ask for anything less since he outproduced him last year, and is arguably their best player. So while Marner not have as great of a deal as Matthews, his deal is still 2nd best in the league. Dubas has used the same structure for the Tavares, Marner, and Matthews contract.

Arguably their best player because he scored a ton of Points and that matters most in contract negotiations or because you think he might be?

I probably would have ended up trading Marner because his demands were so high, so I'm not approaching it from the same angle as Dubas, but I still can't concoct any reasonable argument Marner is likely the best of that bunch.

These deals are going to cost TML a cup, no amount of slick drafting and managing is ever going to make up for the cap hit these contracts make up. Not saying they aren't great players, but their talent to cap hit are so incongruent from the rest of the contracts in their class.

All of them have majorly positive trade value on their contracts, so I would argue that by definition there are ways out if it doesn't work.

 

[Ruck Over]

What is a person who believes you need some of each? I mean we aren't Jurasic but we also are Futuristic.

This is a world worth living in. With both the future, and dinosaurs, coexisting, in harmony, and war.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Carlo, Point, Tkachuck, Connor, Rantanen, Laine and Marleau are only unsigned players left. Seems like things won't turn out nearly as dramatic as we were lead to believe so. At least we have to spectacle of Aho offersheet to look back upon.

The Laine drama will only get crazier after most recent comments