Prospect Info: Minnesota Wild Prospect Rankings #8

[thestonedkoala]

So wrong on so many of these....

Thinking Detroit has a better pool than us is comedy.

How many rosters have Guerin created to win a Stanley Cup?

 

[P10p]

How many rosters have Guerin created to win a Stanley Cup?

Because that is so relevant here.

The only team with a clear cut better prospect pool than us is Buffalo IMO. None of the other teams compare, especially not Anaheim or Detroit.

 

[Wild11MN]

How many rosters have Guerin created to win a Stanley Cup?

Lol. That's the reason the prospect pool is worse for sure.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Because that is so relevant here.

The only team with a clear cut better prospect pool than us is Buffalo IMO. None of the other teams compare, especially not Anaheim or Detroit.

First off, the hockey writers had Minnesota below Detroit and Anaheim this January in 2022:

The NHL’s Best Farm Systems Ranked - 2023-24 Midseason Update - The Hockey Writers Editor's Choice Latest News, Analysis & More

Just like the NHL clubs, their prospect pools are all at different stages. This piece will take a look at every NHL farm system ranking.

thehockeywriters.com

They both added quality players in this year's draft and you can make arguments that both are better than Minnesota at the moment.

Secondly, yes, it is relevant here. Yzerman has proven he can build a championship team. Yzerman's draft picks include: Cirelli, Palat, Point, Vasielevskiy and Kucherov. Only Vasy was a 1st round pick. Has he made mistakes? Absolutely, no one is perfect. But Yzerman has proven, especially this year that he has an eye for talent. Do you know how panned the Seider pick was? Most saw Seider a second tier prospect - most had Seider outside the top 10. Which is why Minnesota got Boldy. Most had Detroit pick Cozens, but Detroit made a massive surprise pick and grabbed Seider. Rookie of the Year? 50 points in his first season in the NHL. Not to mention Raymond.

Third, their third best prospect Jonatan Berggren as a rookie put up 64 points (21 goals, 43 assists) for 64 points in 70 games. He was 12th overall in terms of points in the AHL. Rossi? 37th overall.

Fourth, Cossa has as much potential as Wallstedt to become a franchise goaltender and someone listed them 5th in their prospect pool. Are you telling me that Brock Faber is seen as a franchise defenseman?

Fifth, Elmer Soderblom tied for 7th in goals and was top 50 in points in the SHL.

Sixth as for Anaheim, they boost an impressive pool of defensemen. McTavish was injured last season, but still blew away the competition in the OHL with 40 points in 24 games and adding in another 29 in the playoffs. Sash Patujov was also pretty impressive in the OHL last season.

Anaheim is comparable and you can flip a coin with Minnesota, but they boost as deep of a pool as Minnesota.

Finally, Minnesota has done a damn good job of drafting and having a lot of good prospects having drafted outside the top 10 and even top 15. We just need to see if that transition from juniors to AHL to NHL continues as it did with Boldy. Having a top 5 pool isn't a bad thing, but the track record isn't there.

Lol. That's the reason the prospect pool is worse for sure.

No, but it's the reason why experts have Detroit higher than Minnesota and why I list them there. Yzerman has a more proven record and the way that their prospects have been developing makes experts believe that Yzerman can deliver.

 

[Circulartheory]

How many rosters have Guerin created to win a Stanley Cup?

I was definitely trying to keep an open mind to people saying other teams have better prospects pools because talent evaluation is very subjective ... but what does this have to do with ... anything?

 

[P10p]

First off, the hockey writers had Minnesota below Detroit and Anaheim this January in 2022:

The NHL’s Best Farm Systems Ranked - 2023-24 Midseason Update - The Hockey Writers Editor's Choice Latest News, Analysis & More

Just like the NHL clubs, their prospect pools are all at different stages. This piece will take a look at every NHL farm system ranking.

thehockeywriters.com

They both added quality players in this year's draft and you can make arguments that both are better than Minnesota at the moment.

Secondly, yes, it is relevant here. Yzerman has proven he can build a championship team. Yzerman's draft picks include: Cirelli, Palat, Point, Vasielevskiy and Kucherov. Only Vasy was a 1st round pick. Has he made mistakes? Absolutely, no one is perfect. But Yzerman has proven, especially this year that he has an eye for talent. Do you know how panned the Seider pick was? Most saw Seider a second tier prospect - most had Seider outside the top 10. Which is why Minnesota got Boldy. Most had Detroit pick Cozens, but Detroit made a massive surprise pick and grabbed Seider. Rookie of the Year? 50 points in his first season in the NHL. Not to mention Raymond.

Third, their third best prospect Jonatan Berggren as a rookie put up 64 points (21 goals, 43 assists) for 64 points in 70 games. He was 12th overall in terms of points in the AHL. Rossi? 37th overall.

Fourth, Cossa has as much potential as Wallstedt to become a franchise goaltender and someone listed them 5th in their prospect pool. Are you telling me that Brock Faber is seen as a franchise defenseman?

Fifth, Elmer Soderblom tied for 7th in goals and was top 50 in points in the SHL.

Sixth as for Anaheim, they boost an impressive pool of defensemen. McTavish was injured last season, but still blew away the competition in the OHL with 40 points in 24 games and adding in another 29 in the playoffs. Sash Patujov was also pretty impressive in the OHL last season.

Anaheim is comparable and you can flip a coin with Minnesota, but they boost as deep of a pool as Minnesota.

Finally, Minnesota has done a damn good job of drafting and having a lot of good prospects having drafted outside the top 10 and even top 15. We just need to see if that transition from juniors to AHL to NHL continues as it did with Boldy. Having a top 5 pool isn't a bad thing, but the track record isn't there.



No, but it's the reason why experts have Detroit higher than Minnesota and why I list them there. Yzerman has a more proven record and the way that their prospects have been developing makes experts believe that Yzerman can deliver.

First off THW isn't the omnipotent, omniscient word on hockey prospects. It is a publication like every other one out there.

In this years draft Detroit added Kasper and we added Ohgren and Yurov in the first round. Edge to us there in terms of talent added so I'm not sure why you bring this up.

In terms of players added under Yzerman, I guess their scouting department (who isn't in Detroit) doesn't get the credit but solely the GM. Furthermore, past performance isn't an indicator of future success at all in hockey. Tons of individuals have had good stretches only to go on and bomb future picks. In judging a teams prospect pool it is best to look to the actual players, not the stamp of approval from the GM who happened to be there when they were drafted.

Third, Beggren is a 22 year old. Not nearly as impressive as you're making it out to be. Very disingenuous trying to draw anything in comparison to Rossi.

Fourth, Cossa does not have "as much potential to become a franchise goalie as Wallstedt". He played on a stacked Oil Kings team and his weaknesses that many have pointed out got exposed in the Memorial cup when the stakes were raised. Also to point out that Wallstedt clearly has a higher floor as well. Since you like prospect rankings so much, Wheeler ranked Wallstedt the #1 goalie prospect in the league and Cossa was #3 behind Askarov.

Fifth, Soderblom had a good season. Don't know what you're trying to prove here?

Sixth, Anaheim has what we have but less depth. McTavish is a stud, Dostal is far worse than Wallstedt, Zell has been great but there are serious questions in his game, Perreault is solid but doesn't do much to move the needle for me. The depth just isn't there to match the Wild.

Lastly this WHOLE discussion is about the quality of the prospect pool so the track record really doesn't matter at all. Hindsight has no say in this comparison... (also its boast not boost)

 

[BagHead]

First off, the hockey writers had Minnesota below Detroit and Anaheim this January in 2022:

The NHL’s Best Farm Systems Ranked - 2023-24 Midseason Update - The Hockey Writers Editor's Choice Latest News, Analysis & More

Just like the NHL clubs, their prospect pools are all at different stages. This piece will take a look at every NHL farm system ranking.

thehockeywriters.com

They both added quality players in this year's draft and you can make arguments that both are better than Minnesota at the moment.

Secondly, yes, it is relevant here. Yzerman has proven he can build a championship team. Yzerman's draft picks include: Cirelli, Palat, Point, Vasielevskiy and Kucherov. Only Vasy was a 1st round pick. Has he made mistakes? Absolutely, no one is perfect. But Yzerman has proven, especially this year that he has an eye for talent. Do you know how panned the Seider pick was? Most saw Seider a second tier prospect - most had Seider outside the top 10. Which is why Minnesota got Boldy. Most had Detroit pick Cozens, but Detroit made a massive surprise pick and grabbed Seider. Rookie of the Year? 50 points in his first season in the NHL. Not to mention Raymond.

Third, their third best prospect Jonatan Berggren as a rookie put up 64 points (21 goals, 43 assists) for 64 points in 70 games. He was 12th overall in terms of points in the AHL. Rossi? 37th overall.

Fourth, Cossa has as much potential as Wallstedt to become a franchise goaltender and someone listed them 5th in their prospect pool. Are you telling me that Brock Faber is seen as a franchise defenseman?

Fifth, Elmer Soderblom tied for 7th in goals and was top 50 in points in the SHL.

Sixth as for Anaheim, they boost an impressive pool of defensemen. McTavish was injured last season, but still blew away the competition in the OHL with 40 points in 24 games and adding in another 29 in the playoffs. Sash Patujov was also pretty impressive in the OHL last season.

Anaheim is comparable and you can flip a coin with Minnesota, but they boost as deep of a pool as Minnesota.

Finally, Minnesota has done a damn good job of drafting and having a lot of good prospects having drafted outside the top 10 and even top 15. We just need to see if that transition from juniors to AHL to NHL continues as it did with Boldy. Having a top 5 pool isn't a bad thing, but the track record isn't there.



No, but it's the reason why experts have Detroit higher than Minnesota and why I list them there. Yzerman has a more proven record and the way that their prospects have been developing makes experts believe that Yzerman can deliver.

Things came together well for Yzerman in Tampa, no doubt about it. That doesn't mean he's going to have the same results in Detroit, and it also doesn't mean he won't. Time will tell. I love some of the picks he's made, especially Seider.

But one bone I have to pick: Berggren is better than Rossi because he took two extra years of development (3 really) to slightly edge out Rossi's AHL scoring pace? His 19 year old season was 12 points in 24 SEL games. Respectable, but not as good as what Rossi did in his 19 year old season in the AHL, even after missing a year to COVID and myocarditis. Say Raymond is better all you want, but the Berggren comparison isn't fair.

Anyway, this ranking the prospect pools stuff seems like a waste of time. Nearly all of the best prospect pools 5 years ago are still the best today because the teams suck at either developing talent, or keeping enough of it. We'll see if the Wild can do better than they did 5 years ago.