Proposal: (MIN/TOR) Free Trade Agreement - Brown, Sparks, 2nd round pick...

[ottomaddox]

To TOR
Charlie Coyle

To MIN
Connor Brown
Garret Sparks
2nd Round Pick in 2019

MIN gains a good 2 way forward with penalty killing ability and can chip in offensively, a goalie with NHL potential and good size/hybrid ability to add to their depth, and a 2nd round pick in 2019.

TOR gains a power forward with good size, and skill.

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[Liferleafer]

Minny laughs.

 

[Critical13]

Quantity vs quality. If the pick was our first I could see them listening but not to this offer.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Well thought out. Totally fair value and you clearly thought about the exact needs of the other team and addressed them.

 

[ottomaddox]

Quantity vs quality. If the pick was our first I could see them listening but not to this offer.

There is quality on both sides.

 

[pheasant]

To TOR
Charlie Coyle

To MIN
Connor Brown
Garret Sparks
2nd Round Pick in 2019

MIN gains a good 2 way forward with penalty killing ability and can chip in offensively, a goalie with NHL potential and good size/hybrid ability to add to their depth, and a 2nd round pick in 2019.

TOR gains a power forward with good size, and skill.

The Wild don't need a backup goalie. They have Dubnyk as their starter, and he loves a heavy workload, plus Stalock and Hammond as backups already who both played well when called upon.

So why would they take a downgrade for a 2nd rounder when they want to compete?

Please, please, start considering the other team when making proposals. You are making all Leafs fans look bad with all these "3 quarters for a dollar" threads.

 

[Tall Morty]

Are you slowly working your way through the league, lowballing everyone to see if anyone bites?

 

[Pia8988]

How to create Leaf's proposal

Choose 3 of:

Brown, Kapanen, Johnsson, Leivo, Carrick, Pickard, Sparks, Leivo, Pick


Choose 1 of :

Single piece of more value.

 

[pheasant]

How to create Leaf's proposal

Choose 3 of:

Brown, Kapanen, Johnsson, Leivo, Carrick, Pickard, Sparks, Leivo, Pick


Choose 1 of :

Single piece of more value.

It's a very loud minority of Leafs fans doing this. If you look, you'll notice 4 of the first 5 people to reply to this thread are Leafs fans saying (emphatically) that Minny wouldn't do this deal. Please don't paint us all with that brush.

 

[ottomaddox]

The Wild don't need a backup goalie. They have Dubnyk as their starter, and he loves a heavy workload, plus Stalock and Hammond as backups already who both played well when called upon.

So why would they take a downgrade for a 2nd rounder when they want to compete?

Please, please, start considering the other team when making proposals. You are making all Leafs fans look bad with all these "3 quarters for a dollar" threads.

You're right the Wild don't need a back-up goalie. They need a starting goalie. Dubnyk is 32 now and doesn't seem to be aging well. He hasn't won a playoff series in 3 years. His SV% is on the decline too. Hammond won't be a proper replacement. Stalock is ok, but he is not Dubnyk's understudy. Sparks is your guy.

 

[easton117]

You're right the Wild don't need a back-up goalie. They need a starting goalie. Dubnyk is 32 now and doesn't seem to be aging well. He hasn't won a playoff series in 3 years. His SV% is on the decline too. Hammond won't be a proper replacement. Stalock is ok, but he is not Dubnyk's understudy. Sparks is your guy.

This guy gets it.

All those years of watching Minny fail in the first round I thought to myself, you know who this team needs? Garret Sparks.

You only get one chance at fleecing another team like this. Minny should pull the trigger. Yesterday.

 

[gwh]

To TOR
Charlie Coyle

To MIN
Connor Brown
Garret Sparks
2nd Round Pick in 2019

MIN gains a good 2 way forward with penalty killing ability and can chip in offensively, a goalie with NHL potential and good size/hybrid ability to add to their depth, and a 2nd round pick in 2019.

TOR gains a power forward with good size, and skill.

No reason trade Coyle for Brown. Also Wild has Kahkonen coming to AHL, who had similar stats to NYR Georgiev.

Also TOR-MIN trade threads never go anywhere.

 

[Dr Quincy]

You're right the Wild don't need a back-up goalie. They need a starting goalie. Dubnyk is 32 now and doesn't seem to be aging well. He hasn't won a playoff series in 3 years. His SV% is on the decline too. Hammond won't be a proper replacement. Stalock is ok, but he is not Dubnyk's understudy. Sparks is your guy.

How many years has it been since Frederik Andersen won a playoff round?
What was his SV% last year, and how did it compare to Dubnyk's?
If Sparks isn't replacing Andersen why would he replace Dubnyk?

 

[Bazeek]

Not much to say that hasn't already been said. The last thing the Wild need to do is downgrade at RW for the sake of a backup goalie and a 2nd.

 

[pheasant]

You're right the Wild don't need a back-up goalie. They need a starting goalie. Dubnyk is 32 now and doesn't seem to be aging well. He hasn't won a playoff series in 3 years. His SV% is on the decline too. Hammond won't be a proper replacement. Stalock is ok, but he is not Dubnyk's understudy. Sparks is your guy.

If the Wild were looking to trade for a potential future starter (there's no indication that they are), and if they thought Sparks could be that guy (and there's no idication any team does), then they could trade a simple pick for him or even grab him off waivers near the start of the season.

Their team needs are not being addressed. Minnesota is a consistent playoff team looking to get over the hump to be a contender. A pick, a downgrade at forward, and a 25 year old goalie with 17 games NHL experience sure doesn't put them over the top.

 

[rynryn]

shout out to all the rational TOR fans in this thread! Did our job for us!

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Minny laughs.

Not sure it's THAT bad but personally, I would gamble on a healthy Coyle playing much better this year and keep him.

 

[Starat327]

This one seems like the near perfect trade, with untouchable value that cannot be argued.

 

[ACC1224]

Coyle would be a great add but that package won't get it done.

 

[LeafGrief]

It's not even a free trade agreement. A free trade agreement is where two parties agree that any commerce conducted between their regions/nations will not have any tariffs or quotas. Calling this a free trade agreement is like calling the Rick Nash trade "The Treaty of New England"

Oh and it's a terrible hockey trade, which is a pretty clear pattern for this OP.

 

[AKL]

If Sparks if the difference between annual first round exits and deep playoff runs then we aren’t giving up nearly enough here.

Can I interest you in like Greenway or Brodin or something?

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

I'm likely missing something but I'm not that enamoured by Coyle

 

[Goose312]

To TOR
Charlie Coyle

To MIN
Connor Brown
Garret Sparks
2nd Round Pick in 2019

MIN gains a good 2 way forward with penalty killing ability and can chip in offensively, a goalie with NHL potential and good size/hybrid ability to add to their depth, and a 2nd round pick in 2019.

TOR gains a power forward with good size, and skill.

The Wild don't need depth or backup goalies. They need a top 6 RW. Ideally moving one of their existing LW's to get it done. There's no point at all in downgrading their only right shot forward in order to obtain a possible backup goalie and a late 2nd.

 

[Goose312]

I'm likely missing something but I'm not that enamoured by Coyle

We aren't very much either, but I don't know why we would be in Brown, Sparks and a 2nd.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

How to create Leaf's proposal

Choose 3 of:

Brown, Kapanen, Johnsson, Leivo, Carrick, Pickard, Sparks, Leivo, Pick


Choose 1 of :

Single piece of more value.

HFBoarders would be ever so lucky if Kapanen and Johnsson were such easy trade-fodder.

Charlie Coyle doesn't get it done