Miller blocks not their spot in the lineup but their roster spot. See what happens to Helm? He gets pushed down to the 4th line. That clears up the top9 spots for players like Pulks, and hopefully next year, AA or Mantha.
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Miller blocks not their spot in the lineup but their roster spot. See what happens to Helm? He gets pushed down to the 4th line. That clears up the top9 spots for players like Pulks, and hopefully next year, AA or Mantha.
Hammettf2b
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Next year we can still have Miller plus AA or Mantha.
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I can just see it now - AA/Mantha make the team, Jurco gets waived, Helm is let go as a free agent, and people complain for years about how Holland let go of Jurco and Helm instead of trading them, and instead opted to keep Miller.
I think you're right, and I think it's likely that Miller is back and that AA/Mantha (maybe both) are on the roster. I really do think Detroit is going to make a bold move to alleviate the roster logjam... Datsyuk is leaving shortly, the new rink is going to open up soon... I think it's going to happen. But who knows.
So if you brought Miller back you'd have Jurco, Glendening, Miller. I guess if you assume at least one of Andersson/Helm is let go. I'm not so sure that'll happen. I'm also not that sure that Holland wouldn't be looking at whatever UFA forwards there are next off season. He does love his "depth." Personally I'd love to see Nosek as the 12th guy and Miller as the 13th forward. I like Nosek's board play and he can PK too.
When was Holland's last bold move?
Hammettf2b
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All I know is if we lose both Miller and Helm, our PK will be pathetic. Just my 2 cents.
You're right, he hasn't done it recently... or much at all since he took over. But, we have heard he was in on Bouwmeester, he was ready to pull the trigger there. I think he will do it before the new stadium opens, personally. But I also have been kind of saying something along those lines the last couple years, so who really knows!
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Helm actually doesn't PK that much anymore.
Glendening, Miller, Sheahan all PK more. I think Nosek or Larkin could fill his role fine.
Henkka
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This really is what WILL happen.
Miller stays as bench veteran. It's always built that way.
Glendening
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Sheahan
Abdelkader/Larkin
Those should be enough for next season.
"No way Cleary gets another contract."
"No way Cleary gets another contract."
"No way Cleary gets another contract."
"No way Abby should get 7 years."
I've just learned not to think that way with regards to Holland.
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A 31 year old, 4th line winger coming off major knee surgery while showing obvious signs of regression. He is unfortunately not valuable anywhere else but the PK at this point in his career it seems.
I can see him signing a cheap ass deal and filling the 13th forward spot. To be honest I'd rather have Glenny filling that spot but that's just wishful thinking.
I can see him signing a cheap ass deal and filling the 13th forward spot. To be honest I'd rather have Glenny filling that spot but that's just wishful thinking.
How do you define bold? I think bold requires some risk. Signing a UFA vet who is basically a known quantity isn't much of a risk. Good moves are not the same as bold moves.
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I worry that both Andersson and Miller will get new contracts.
I also worry that Holland can't manage roster turnover, like bringing in new talent while getting rid of the old.
EDIT: Anyone else wish Detroit had Nill as the GM?
I also worry that Holland can't manage roster turnover, like bringing in new talent while getting rid of the old.
EDIT: Anyone else wish Detroit had Nill as the GM?
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Pavels Dog
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Miller has had some poor luck the last few years. Not good for our PK to lose Miller for the season.
Surprised to see a thread about an injury to a 12th/13th forward turn into a Ken Holland thread. Not.
Surprised to see a thread about an injury to a 12th/13th forward turn into a Ken Holland thread. Not.
Vatican Roulette
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When the 12/13th forward can be replaced by a younger guy that the team lost on waivers, yes it will turn into a "Holland can't manage his roster" discussion.
Run the Jewels
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I suspect this is the end of the line. He was a very solid PK'er however we have guys who will be up as soon as next year - Athanasiou and Mantha - meaning the odds we have a spot for Miller seem long.
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He's also gone 13 games now without a point for Boston, so his hot start has shown to be exactly that and nothing more.
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It's shown he has plenty of capabilities that reflect what a lot of us saw watching him grow into a Red Wing. Still think he can be a Patrick Eaves type player, but its not worth arguing anymore.
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Helm will get a 3 year deal minimum 'he's a top 6 forward with elite skating and can play in the top 6,you can't find them on the open market '.
Henkka
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And now he has gone 13 games without points at Bruins and was healhy scratch against Montreal.
We did lose nothing. Bruins will probably waive him when their normal roster is healthy.
What's the difference? Holland hates letting his boys go. We were all here thinking about 4-5 years for Abby and then bam, 7 years. I'll be happy if we don't overpay to retain Helm (if he stays cheap who cares, just dump Andersson and sit Luke for all I care). I just know it's quite possible for Helm to be signed.
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