Player Discussion Milan Lucic (arrested Nov 18)

[caz16]

That still doesn't sound good. Injuries, broken lamp...

Wonder why they say family member instead of wife?

Also what's the point in saying one of the officers shares a surname with Marchand? Do they think there's only one Marchand family in the world?

The Marchand remark was weird to me as well. Also, they said they took him up for clothes but in the mug shot he is shirtless. They also said red marks on the chest and that the victim said he didn't try to strangle them. I think the first report of choking was the 911 call? When do they release those calls or is it someone leaking that info?

 

[Gordoff]

Sure but support does not equal a roster spot. For me he needs to focus on life. Hockey is not what he needs. The team doesn’t need his distraction either.

Agreed but as it is with family members, we don't need distractions but it is what it is, which is heartbreaking for all involved. Their family will need help in some way IMO. I hope that they children weren't home for this.

 

[Bruinaura]

The Marchand remark was weird to me as well. Also, they said they took him up for clothes but in the mug shot he is shirtless. They also said red marks on the chest and that the victim said he didn't try to strangle them. I think the first report of choking was the 911 call? When do they release those calls or is it someone leaking that info?

Yeah, the shirtless mug shot is weird. Maybe they took him up to get a shirt but he didn't want to put it on, and being the size he is and allegedly intoxicated, maybe they didn't want to force the issue?

 

[Fenian24]

I find it a bit frustrating that we are all saying the right things for the most part but i feel we are s bit guilty here too. We loved lucic the fighter the hitter the hot head on the ice. Then when this behaviour surfaces off i we wash our hands of him. Im not advocating that what he did was ok but i think we should be a bit more conscious that he needs help. And that we may of helped create the problem.

Terry O'Reilly is a nice man who had no off ice issues, Shawn Thornton is as stand up a guy as you can find, most fighters/physical players don't bring issues off ice with them. There are exceptions, Bob Probert being at the top of the list but he was more self destructive than abusive.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

Yeah, the shirtless mug shot is weird. Maybe they took him up to get a shirt but he didn't want to put it on, and being the size he is and allegedly intoxicated, maybe they didn't want to force the issue?

Police deal with a lot scarier folks than Lucic. . .

 

[jgatie]

Terry O'Reilly is a nice man who had no off ice issues, Shawn Thornton is as stand up a guy as you can find, most fighters/physical players don't bring issues off ice with them. There are exceptions, Bob Probert being at the top of the list but he was more self destructive than abusive.

Terry's off-ice hobby was going to antique stores, and he didn't like talking about his fights. He'd rather talk about anything else. A true renaissance man.

 

[lopey]

Terry O'Reilly is a nice man who had no off ice issues, Shawn Thornton is as stand up a guy as you can find, most fighters/physical players don't bring issues off ice with them. There are exceptions, Bob Probert being at the top of the list but he was more self destructive than abusive.

Yes agreed. Not everyone turns violent. But like i said each individual handles this differently. Maybe its just me but im feeling a bit guilty. Maybe loving the on ice violence might of contributed to this

 

[Fenian24]

Yes agreed. Not everyone turns violent. But like i said each individual handles this differently. Maybe its just me but im feeling a bit guilty. Maybe loving the on ice violence might of contributed to this

I understand where you are coming from but if this is the case every Football fan should all be in therapy for guilt. Hockey, football, boxing, MMA all can be very violent but not all of those athletes are domestic abusers or alcoholics. Baseball and Soccer are pretty mellow and have a number of domestic abusers in those sports

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

I did not know that Looch had been arrested "3 or 4" times before,????

Where did you get this info from... I must have missed it

You've missed it alright.

 

[Fenian24]

Terry's off-ice hobby was going to antique stores, and he didn't like talking about his fights. He'd rather talk about anything else. A true renaissance man.

He wouldn't sign autographs on fight pictures for a long time at shows. Finally relented when he and Dave Schultz had a dual signing. My first autograph of his is in pre game warm ups, second is a scrap with Nilan.

 

[GordonHowe]

Not everyone is the same thought. Concussions maybe part of the problem here. We dont know. My point was to not be surprised that violence off the ice may occur for certain people and that we as fans love the violence on ice but expect a perfect player off it.

If you like the rough stuff, there's enough complicity to go around.

I've never heard anything about Lucic per concussions.

 

[jgatie]

Without any hard data about the prevalence of off-ice violence for hockey tough guys vs. the general public, I would hesitate to make anything of the anecdotal evidence besides a call for more studies.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

There is no excuse for domestic violence.

But as a Bruins fan and a Milan fan, I am concerned with "helping" Lucic with a God damn thing right now. I care about him and the wellbeing of his family.

This is not Bobby Hull (whom I loved as a player and couldn't help but like a bit as person) we're talking about.

This is not Mitchell Miller.

This is not Jared Remy.

It's Looch, and I believe in him.

Milan can, and I think will, choose to address the issue and get the help he needs.

How much can you really say you know a professional athelete? These guys are trained as teenagers(if they are a hotshot prospect) on PR and how to protect their image. The things they say and do in the public light don't always reflect who they are behind closed doors.

There are numerous examples of celebrities who were thought of as good people, salt of the earth yet disgusting things were being done in their personal life.

 

[Alicat]

The Marchand part is strange and probably nothing more than a lack of proofreading on the editor's part. There wa no need to name the officers involved.

It does not shock me that the information that was leaked this weekend was vague and full of half truths. This is what happens when people report things they hear on the scanner or second hand from a buddy on the force.

If Looch decides to fight this, there's no doubt his lawyers will ba all over the leaks.

 

[GordonHowe]

He wouldn't sign autographs on fight pictures for a long time at shows. Finally relented when he and Dave Schultz had a dual signing. My first autograph of his is in pre game warm ups, second is a scrap with Nilan.

He didn't like the nickname "Taz" either. I wasn't in Boston during the Lunch Pail AC days, but from what I gather, Terry basically willed himself to be a solid hockey player, not merely a fighter. I admire that a great deal.

And, I'll cop to having this picture on the wall,

And this one,

I'll also cop to loving the whole Rangers "fighting with fans in the stands" thing. It was hilarious and very much in keeping with the era in general and Bruins "DNA" in particular.

FWIW, knowing what I know now about CTE, I'm not a fan of fighting these days. Clean, hard hits? Always and forever. The rough stuff, the scrums, the antipathy rivalries create, and yes, physical intimidation remain a big part of why I love the game as much as I do.

Lunch Pail A.C.: A folk hero hockey team

In the mid-to-late 1970s, with Don Cherry at the helm, the Boston Bruins were remade as a team full of grinders and enforcers. A Stanley Cup would elude them, but the Lunch Pail A.C. would give the locals plenty to cheer about.

www.si.com

 

[Therick67]

You don't need to play a contact sport to have a problem with alcohol or violence. . I know his dad committed suicide, he may have some other issues we have no idea about.

Hopefully his family can forgive him and they can get past this.

 

[dugg133]

The Marchand remark was weird to me as well. Also, they said they took him up for clothes but in the mug shot he is shirtless. They also said red marks on the chest and that the victim said he didn't try to strangle them. I think the first report of choking was the 911 call? When do they release those calls or is it someone leaking that info?

I mean this would actually be extremely ordinary for cases of domestic violence. Victims try to protect their abusers all the time, whether it be out of fear or love it happen a lot. Looch's wife calling the police while telling them that he tried to choke her, and then changing her story when the police arrive to make what happened seem less severe wouldn't be out of the ordinary at all.

 

[GordonHowe]

The Marchand part is strange and probably nothing more than a lack of proofreading on the editor's part. There wa no need to name the officers involved.

It does not shock me that the information that was leaked this weekend was vague and full of half truths. This is what happens when people report things they hear on the scanner or second hand from a buddy on the force.

If Looch decides to fight this, there's no doubt his lawyers will ba all over the leaks.

When you say fight, what do you mean? If he is sentenced?

I hope it doesn't come to that, and unless something even more egregious emerges, suspect an admission of guilt, genuine remorse, and court ordered treatment of whatever kind.

 

[Alicat]

When you say fight, what do you mean? If he is sentenced?

I hope it doesn't come to that, and unless something even more egregious emerges, suspect an admission of guilt, genuine remorse, and court ordered treatment of whatever kind.

If he decides to plead not guilty and take this to trial.

I honestly don't think it will go to trial but you never know.

 

[Therick67]

I'd like to think Milan would do whatever he has to do in order to do the right thing for his family and get help. Going to trial wouldn't be in his family's best interest IMO.

 

[Bridges31]

If he decides to plead not guilty and take this to trial.

I honestly don't think it will go to trial but you never know.

Almost no one pleads guilty at an arraignment. This will either go to trial (unlikely), plea out to something involving anger management or counseling, or the charges will be dropped.

 

[McGarnagle]

There could be a lot of contributing factors, brain trauma, alcohol use, mental health & psychological trauma and whatnot. A lot we could never really know, and in the end speculating on that it is starting to feel like us playing mental gymnastics to try to lighten the culpability for one of our favorite players and let him off the hook a little bit. Like it's not really him, it's the bottle that did it, or the CTE, or depression, etc.

 

[caz16]

I mean this would actually be extremely ordinary for cases of domestic violence. Victims try to protect their abusers all the time, whether it be out of fear or love it happen a lot. Looch's wife calling the police while telling them that he tried to choke her, and then changing her story when the police arrive to make what happened seem less severe wouldn't be out of the ordinary at all.

Yes, I agree about the victim changing the story. I just wondered more about the 911 call and how that information was released and how accurate it is.

 

[Absurdity]

Globe came out with an article pertaining to the situation 2hrs ago.

 

[GordonHowe]

Yeah, the shirtless mug shot is weird. Maybe they took him up to get a shirt but he didn't want to put it on, and being the size he is and allegedly intoxicated, maybe they didn't want to force the issue?

That mug shot was disturbing and dispiriting. I hope it marks the nadir of this story and with work, better days are ahead for all concerned.

Terry O'Reilly is a nice man who had no off ice issues, Shawn Thornton is as stand up a guy as you can find, most fighters/physical players don't bring issues off ice with them. There are exceptions, Bob Probert being at the top of the list but he was more self destructive than abusive.

He, like so many former fighters, was also addled by CTE.