So do Sutter's. Wouldn't take Richards @ 50% retained, he could regain his form but he could just as easily be out of the league within 2 years, not worth the risk.
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So do Sutter's. Wouldn't take Richards @ 50% retained, he could regain his form but he could just as easily be out of the league within 2 years, not worth the risk.
Jacob
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The second coming of J.Staal is coming soon.
His salary will be way less than 5.5 or 3.9M.
I'm not sure if we should expect Staal-like offensive production out of Sundqvist. He strikes me as a 30-35 point guy like Sutter, all be it with a much friendlier cap hit and more willingness to use his size.
Yet Sutter's playoff performance was leaps and bounds over anything he's ever done. Richards was more in line with his historical norm. Hmmm ....
billybudd
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There's two issues with Richards
1. He really is getting worse. Specifically, his motor is sputtering (see also: Kunitz). It's not just being used in defensive situations or playing for a defensive team--he is getting worse. This isn't to say he's presently useless, to be clear.
2. If he's having Kunitz problems at 27-29, what the Hell problems is he going to be having from 30-35?
For what he makes, we can't play around with him. Not sure how many teams can. I'm sure the Leafs would trade Clarkson for the guy, fwiw.
1. He really is getting worse. Specifically, his motor is sputtering (see also: Kunitz). It's not just being used in defensive situations or playing for a defensive team--he is getting worse. This isn't to say he's presently useless, to be clear.
2. If he's having Kunitz problems at 27-29, what the Hell problems is he going to be having from 30-35?
For what he makes, we can't play around with him. Not sure how many teams can. I'm sure the Leafs would trade Clarkson for the guy, fwiw.
Richards is trending downwards, there is a reason Dwight King is getting more ice time than him (and more PK time!). Unfortunately Richards is struggling to be anything more than a 4th line centre these days. I know lots of people are annoyed with Sutter but wait until Richards shows up and does the same but probably worse for more money and more term. Richards has be consistently at the bottom of L.As +/- the last few years, he's just not the player he once was.
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He is not the same as he once was. But, he is equaling Sutter in less TOI and with less to work with. No one is saying to take him at the full 5.75, but once that gets reduced you're looking at less than or equal to what Sutter is going to be making.
L.A has a bottom 5 PK yet Richards can't even get a minute of PK time per game, that's all you need to know. I'd rather have Sutter for 5 more years at 3.3 than 5 more years of Richards at 2.875.
I know, I'd rather let him go than have him at 4 but I'd still take him at 4 over Richards at 2.875 for the next 5 years if we had to have one.
Can someone explain to me why Sutter is looking at a raise? It seems to me his production matches his current salary. What demand is there for an average 3C that will allow his agent to pursue a contract with a 4MM+ cap hit?
I do not love or hate Sutter, and I think his best hockey is ahead of him but I cannot understand why he would be due a large cap hit with his next contract.
Speaking Moistly
What a terrible image.
Free agency is crazy, his name and people being stupid enough to see him as a potential top 6 centre. Engelland got 2.9 or whatever it is in free agency, ffs.
I really don't think 2.875 is a bad deal for Richards. He was great in the playoffs like 8 months ago. With the way his contract back dives it's not impossible to move him to an Arizona if it really is a disaster.
Agreed.
5 years is too long and too big of a risk, we already have our relative deadweight in Scuderi.
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Agreed. 5 years is a long, long, time in the life of a professional athlete, particularly one with ten years on his odometer already. I can't imagine Richards being an NHL player in 5 years...at any salary. He's hardly one today.
BrunoPuntzJones
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I'm all for acquiring Richards (preferably at an overpayment) just so we have a genuine albatross contract and awful trade to complain about.
NewAgeOutlaw
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A guy who has gone from a top 6 center to a 4th liner in a few years is not the kind of guy the Penguins should be taking a chance on.
If it is feasible contractually I take Richards over Sutter one hundred out of one hundred times. I'd actually rather have Sutter center fourth line if it were possible.
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madinsomniac
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Sutter believes he can play a top 2 center role, but isn't given the chance, much like Staal here. UFA always gets a name brand player with potential overpaid. Especially a Center.
deczola
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Richards has gotten worse with each preceding year for like five straight years. He has five more years at near 6 million a year.
If anyone wants to pick up this player they literally knows nothing about hockey, especially the cap mgmt end of it.
You don't tie yourself to a player with a massive question mark next to his name for 5 more years at 5.8 million a year!!!
If anyone wants to pick up this player they literally knows nothing about hockey, especially the cap mgmt end of it.
You don't tie yourself to a player with a massive question mark next to his name for 5 more years at 5.8 million a year!!!
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