Value of: Michael Stone

[PickUpPuck]

I know the leafs are looking to make some depth acquisitions and obviously the blueline is of concern. A little while ago it was reported that Arizona might be open to moving Michael Stone, who I think would be an improvement over Polak and quite possibly Carrick and shouldn't be as expensive to acquire. Was wonder if Arizona fans or others who know more about him could tell me how good/bad he is and what you believe his approximate worth in a trade would be?

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[mpp9]

Pretty much the only top 4 D rumored to be available. 1st round pick I'd imagine.

 

[rt]

1st rounder.

 

[Funk21]

Pretty much the only top 4 D rumored to be available. 1st round pick I'd imagine.

Issues with that is he is an RFA, injury prone and having a terrible year. Not saying he wouldn't be an upgrade over Carrick and Polak if he got back to his former glory but there is a lot of things that concern me about a possible trade for him.

1.) How much is he looking for regarding a long term deal?
2.) Are his poor numbers, point wise, a reflection of injuries taking their toll or just ARZ being that bad as a team. Also, I have not seen his analytics numbers some maybe somebody can give me more insight to how good defensively he is.
3.) Toronto is in no position to be throwing around 1st

 

[WesMcCauley]

Think alot of teams would send a 2nd+ but dont think many teams will offer a 1st.

 

[Barilko14]

Issues with that is he is an RFA, injury prone and having a terrible year. Not saying he wouldn't be an upgrade over Carrick and Polak if he got back to his former glory but there is a lot of things that concern me about a possible trade for him.

1.) How much is he looking for regarding a long term deal?
2.) Are his poor numbers, point wise, a reflection of injuries taking their toll or just ARZ being that bad as a team. Also, I have not seen his analytics numbers some maybe somebody can give me more insight to how good defensively he is.
3.) Toronto is in no position to be throwing around 1st

We were having this discussion earlier on Leaf forum - see below

The rankings I'm putting are among Dmen only on each team.

Stone - 41.9 CF% worst, -6.9% CF% rel worst, 57.6 dZs% 3rd, 20:19 toi/60 3rd

Hunwick - 46.0 CF% worst, -6.3% CF% rel worst, 56.7 dZs% 1st, 18:06 toi/60 5th

So Stone is getting more minutes (2nd pair) and getting owned pretty well. Hunwick leads team in d zone starts, gets bottom pair minutes, and pretty well gets owned as well. Pretty comparable defensively, therefore not really the "upgrade" we need.

I doubt Stone bumps Carrick down in the lineup IMO.

Leafs pass.

 

[Amadeus]

2nd + B level prospect at most.

 

[Montecristo]

Bruins would go EDM 2nd and cehlarik/heinen

 

[TorontoTrades]

Wouldn't offer a 1st. If someone does then good for them they can have him.

 

[BillDineen]

Stone is a UFA. Late 2nd rounder is all you could hope for. No way is he getting a first.

 

[Xscout*]

Nah defensive iq has always been an issue with stone & toronto needs a 20 minute/game penalty killer type defenseman.

 

[McSuper]

We were having this discussion earlier on Leaf forum - see below

The rankings I'm putting are among Dmen only on each team.

Stone - 41.9 CF% worst, -6.9% CF% rel worst, 57.6 dZs% 3rd, 20:19 toi/60 3rd

Hunwick - 46.0 CF% worst, -6.3% CF% rel worst, 56.7 dZs% 1st, 18:06 toi/60 5th

So Stone is getting more minutes (2nd pair) and getting owned pretty well. Hunwick leads team in d zone starts, gets bottom pair minutes, and pretty well gets owned as well. Pretty comparable defensively, therefore not really the "upgrade" we need.

I doubt Stone bumps Carrick down in the lineup IMO.

Leafs pass.

Thanks for posting this . I was thinking he might be a good fit for the Oil . He seems to be a down grade on everyone we have

 

[Tad Mikowski]

Stone is a UFA. Late 2nd rounder is all you could hope for. No way is he getting a first.

I love these statements. Cause you know right? Please tell me what inside info you have? Antoine Vermette commanded a 1st + not out of the realm of possibility that he gets a 1st.

 

[Shady Machine]

Arizona can get a 1st if the market for top 4 Dmen continues to be as weak as it appears.

 

[BUX7PHX]

Issues with that is he is an RFA, injury prone and having a terrible year. Not saying he wouldn't be an upgrade over Carrick and Polak if he got back to his former glory but there is a lot of things that concern me about a possible trade for him.

1.) How much is he looking for regarding a long term deal?
2.) Are his poor numbers, point wise, a reflection of injuries taking their toll or just ARZ being that bad as a team. Also, I have not seen his analytics numbers some maybe somebody can give me more insight to how good defensively he is.
3.) Toronto is in no position to be throwing around 1st

He's not an RFA.

He actually is not injury prone, his only injury was when he shredded his knee toward February of last year.

Here are two additional and better questions to ask:

1. Is his down year this year a result of his return from injury and does his ceiling climb higher for the final 20 games + playoffs or any future deals?
2. Does your team have a need for a good 3/4 or an excellent 5/6 depending on where he would slot in?

His offensive zone start % is 42.4%, the lowest of his career. He was a positive Corsi for player the past two years (amazing for an Arizona team void of offense).

 

[Kaibur]

Conditional 1st + B prospect should be the ask. Conditions something like if the team makes the Conference Finals or Stone re-signs. Otherwise, reverts to a 2nd.

 

[Hogan86]

He's not an RFA.

He actually is not injury prone, his only injury was when he shredded his knee toward February of last year.

Here are two additional and better questions to ask:

1. Is his down year this year a result of his return from injury and does his ceiling climb higher for the final 20 games + playoffs or any future deals?
2. Does your team have a need for a good 3/4 or an excellent 5/6 depending on where he would slot in?

His offensive zone start % is 42.4%, the lowest of his career. He was a positive Corsi for player the past two years (amazing for an Arizona team void of offense).

An excellent 5/6 dman will get you a 2nd rounder and a mid level prospect. Unless a top contender is in desperate need, they MIGHT offer a late first rounder. But I really can't see a first rounder being offered to ARZ for Michael Stone. First rounders just seem to be more and more hoarded lately.

 

[Palmer2Fitz]

We were having this discussion earlier on Leaf forum - see below

The rankings I'm putting are among Dmen only on each team.

Stone - 41.9 CF% worst, -6.9% CF% rel worst, 57.6 dZs% 3rd, 20:19 toi/60 3rd

Hunwick - 46.0 CF% worst, -6.3% CF% rel worst, 56.7 dZs% 1st, 18:06 toi/60 5th

So Stone is getting more minutes (2nd pair) and getting owned pretty well. Hunwick leads team in d zone starts, gets bottom pair minutes, and pretty well gets owned as well. Pretty comparable defensively, therefore not really the "upgrade" we need.

I doubt Stone bumps Carrick down in the lineup IMO.

Leafs pass.

What you fail to realize is the fact that the Arizona Coyotes are the worst team in the NHL at puck possession. Even if we had the 6 best defenders in the entire NHL they wouldn't have nearly as good of numbers as they do on the team they are currently on. We are defending way more then we are attacking and it will wear down even the best dmen eventually.

Once again comparing players based on numbers is not a good metric. Now with that being said, Stone will return somewhere around a late first or a 2nd rounder plus a prospect. Right handed top 4 RD are valued extremely high as we have seen in the recent past.

 

[Homesick]

1st rounder.

last year for sure. This year he's back to his normal self. 2nd and a B prospect(or another 2nd).

 

[Bad Puck Bounce]

Bruins would go EDM 2nd and cehlarik/heinen

You might as a Bruin fan but I wouldn't. Not interested in Stone.

 

[Homesick]

I love these statements. Cause you know right? Please tell me what inside info you have? Antoine Vermette commanded a 1st + not out of the realm of possibility that he gets a 1st.

40 point 2C that can be relied upon to win clutch face offs are worth a 1st +

 

[Stuzchuk]

knowing that he may be the only actual decent defenseman available at the TDL that is actually able to play hockey, I'd say that he'll get a first+ (or 2-2nd)

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yeah a 2nd+b level prospect is more realistic for Michael Stone.

 

[Barilko14]

What you fail to realize is the fact that the Arizona Coyotes are the worst team in the NHL at puck possession. Even if we had the 6 best defenders in the entire NHL they wouldn't have nearly as good of numbers as they do on the team they are currently on. We are defending way more then we are attacking and it will wear down even the best dmen eventually.

Once again comparing players based on numbers is not a good metric. Now with that being said, Stone will return somewhere around a late first or a 2nd rounder plus a prospect. Right handed top 4 RD are valued extremely high as we have seen in the recent past.

Well his -6.9 C Rel shows thats he's the worst of the bunch this season.

Someone pays a 1st for Stone, they are going to have serious buyers remorse.

And Arizona is supposed to have a good group of defenders OEL is elite, Goligoski, Stone, Chychrun, Murphy. Hell of a lot better on paper than the Leafs D.

Guess the forwards aren't great, missing that No. 1 C hurts.

 

[Tad Mikowski]

40 point 2C that can be relied upon to win clutch face offs are worth a 1st +

my point was that the poster stated that it will not happen as a certainty, when there's no way to possibly know that. I understand the roles are different but there was a lot of people who suggested Vermette wouldn't command a 1st rounder either. just citing an example