McLellan impresses in Edmonton so far

[Pinkfloyd]

Flip channels between different games and you'll see that EVERY game looks almost exactly like every other game (same patterns/cycles in todays game).

That still doesn't make the insanity argument any less shallow in this context.

 

[Hold the Pickles]

And there is a reason why almost no coach in this league ever does what you're suggesting. Because watching from the press box as a method of improving one's game is not nearly as effective as people like to believe.

The insanity argument is shallow. There's nothing about one game to the next that is entirely the same or even remotely close.

I don't buy it. If something is off, its off, even if its all psychological some time off can do the trick. And there are other reasons a coach may be unwilling to sit a vet. You seem to imply the only reason is your belief that its not an effective way of improving ones game. To name one big reason, its CYA. Look at Moneyball, howe refused to play the team bean wanted him to because of how it would reflect on howe for his next contract. Look at koala and his decision to ice Stuart in the PO's. Straight up CYA. If stuart fails its on the vet, if he ices Tenny and he fails, its on koala.

And your last paragraph . If every game were that different, a person in a long slump would almost have to be trying to be in the slump to continue being in it. It'd be too hard to always be doing the wrong thing with a game thats changing that much from game to game.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I don't buy it. If something is off, its off, even if its all psychological some time off can do the trick. And there are other reasons a coach may be unwilling to sit a vet. You seem to imply the only reason is your belief that its not an effective way of improving ones game. To name one big reason, its CYA. Look at Moneyball, howe refused to play the team bean wanted him to because of how it would reflect on howe for his next contract. Look at koala and his decision to ice Stuart in the PO's. Straight up CYA. If stuart fails its on the vet, if he ices Tenny and he fails, its on koala.

And your last paragraph . If every game were that different, a person in a long slump would almost have to be trying to be in the slump to continue being in it. It'd be too hard to always be doing the wrong thing with a game thats changing that much from game to game.

Time off is ridiculous because they're not playing every night in the first place. There's nothing about the act of sitting in a press box during a game that is actually going to change how a player plays. It's not the only reason and it's not simply CYA. It's the fact that chances are the replacement one has the option of putting in simply isn't better and in most cases is significantly worse than the guy you'd be sitting. This would especially be true in the case of someone like Marleau. If he was doing so poorly, you'd think most of the roster was outproducing him or playing better and they simply weren't. And it's BS to believe that playing the vet isn't just as much on the coach as it would if he plays the younger guy. How many people here complained about that very thing and put it on McLellan anyway?

Your second part is just a plain old straw man argument. A player can do all the right things and still not see results even over extended periods of time. There are far too many variables in hockey to go with an insanity argument in a large majority of contexts. The reason why people use it is to try and make something that is fairly complex into something simple and it is an oversimplification damn near every time. This team isn't the same as it was last year nor the year before that nor the year before that. Personnel is turning over every year for every team. Games evolve. Luck is there. For the insanity argument to actually apply, all those things would have to not be true and that will never happen.

 

[knu]

i would say game 7 vs Avalanche. 1-0 loss, selanne should have scored. dont care if his wrist was broke. 4 ot game vs dallas game 6.

One of my least favorite Shark memories. I don't think I will ever forget that.

 

[SJGoalie32]

Anyone here remember a sharks goalie playing above average in an elemination game?

Nabokov, 2002 Game 7: Sharks lose 1-0 to COL (Nabby 1 GA, .957 SV%).....after losing Game 6 2-1 in OT

Nabokov, 2004 Game 6: Sharks lose 3-1 to CGY (Nabby 2 GA [+EN], .929 SV%)

Toskala, 2006 Game 6: Sharks lose 2-0 to EDM (Toskala 2 GA, .923 SV%)

Nabokov, 2008 Game 6: Sharks lose 2-1 (4OT) to DAL (Nabby 2 GA, .954 SV%)


It's very tough to win elimination games when you score 1 goal or less......no matter how well your goalie plays.

 

[Hold the Pickles]

Nabokov, 2002 Game 7: Sharks lose 1-0 to COL (Nabby 1 GA, .957 SV%).....after losing Game 6 2-1 in OT

Nabokov, 2004 Game 6: Sharks lose 3-1 to CGY (Nabby 2 GA [+EN], .929 SV%)

Toskala, 2006 Game 6: Sharks lose 2-0 to EDM (Toskala 2 GA, .923 SV%)

Nabokov, 2008 Game 6: Sharks lose 2-1 (4OT) to DAL (Nabby 2 GA, .954 SV%)


It's very tough to win elimination games when you score 1 goal or less......no matter how well your goalie plays.

We actually won one. Wade flats got 51 save vs calgary