Then you trade OEL. Eichel is one hell of a player, a PPG player, but Dvo is .50 PPG player and you add in Dahlin who is suppose to be a franchise D, better than OEL, it is a trade that I would have to look at long and hard. You add in the salaries it is not a slam dunk trade. Buffalo would not even entertain this trade so there is no use to talk about it anyways.
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Then you trade OEL. Eichel is one hell of a player, a PPG player, but Dvo is .50 PPG player and you add in Dahlin who is suppose to be a franchise D, better than OEL, it is a trade that I would have to look at long and hard. You add in the salaries it is not a slam dunk trade. Buffalo would not even entertain this trade so there is no use to talk about it anyways.
A, pretty easily. The impact of talents like Dahlin on an ELC for 2 years is the most valuable thing in the world to the Coyotes.
Although secret option D which is "Draft Dahlin and end up trading OEL for a bunch of stuff cause he doesn't resign" is still on the table.
Although secret option D which is "Draft Dahlin and end up trading OEL for a bunch of stuff cause he doesn't resign" is still on the table.
we're not getting Dahlin
A. Find someone else to trade for a C. Identify a player that your scouts feel is under appreciated or can’t break into a established lineup. Hjarlmarsson becomes more available. Goligoski potentially.
I vote #1. Having a great D core will make our forwards look better. Trade something else to get another C. I don't think a top 20 true number 1C will be available anyway and I wouldn't give up OEL or the #1 pick for one that is available. We might find somebody better then Stepan but not much better. RNH type players are what would be available (not saying he is better then Stepan). Maybe DVO improves, Stepan plays better, Strome makes the team and/or they move Keller to center? I would keep the depth on D and let our young forwards mature and evolve.
1. Ok but the context was who was considered better and you said the poll had chosen Dahlin over Matthews by a wide margin. Maybe I misunderstood what you were conveying when you brought up the poll?
2. Some
3. Just this recent WJC
4. You mean like Ekblad? Yes, yes I would.
I get that Dahlin is a high end prospect but he still hasn't played a moment in the NHL. To say he's for sure better than someone like Matthews who was a super prospect himself and has already delivered (and then some) on those expectations is just silly. You said yourself you think Matthews should be number 2 behind McDavid as well so not sure why you're challenging me on this topic.
Dahlin is the real deal. He's the Austen Mathews of D prospects. He's that good. He's legitimately in that conversation.
OEL IMO on a long term deal at big money would have less value via trade than Dahlin on entry level deal with low cost certainty for a few years and from the Coyotes end would not be as good right now as OEL.
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I haven't seen anyone say he's for sure better. I'd rather have Matthews. Mackinnon v McDavid was aclose poll after Mack had a huge start to his career and McDavid wad undrafted yet. Matthews looks really good. If in five years Dahlin is In the conversation of the best defenseman in the NHL, it won't be laughable that some like him more than Matthews.
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A poster asked where Dahlin would rank in a prospect ranking. I said I thought lost hockey fans would have him after McDavid but before Matthews. You brought up trades. Trades wasn't a part ofit. I thought we were taking about how well regarded they were as prospects.
EDIT one of us was confused. Probably me.
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I'd buy 7 the day they were released, 1 for every day of the week. I'm normally not a fanboy, but it's Jack *uc**n* Eichel. He's my adult version of Mike Modano or Al MacInnis. I'd hang his Coyotes poster above my side of the bed and freak out the wife.
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Yes. I agree.
However, if you rank them based on perceived value/potential/hype during their draft years, many folks like Dahlin as a draft eligible player more than they liked Matthews as a draft eligible player.
Agree draft hype was insane for McDavid. I myself think Matthews is the best player in the game today.
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I love Matthews but I can't see passed those McDavid rocket boots. He's just too good at hockey.
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It would be hilarious to see the dozens and dozens of Strome hating Leaf fans do an immediate, and complete 180 degree turn. Almost worth it just for that alone. As for value, I guess it comes down to whether you're supremely confident that Nylander can be an effective NHL center. It seems Babcock doesn't think so. If Chayka and Tocchet think he can, it's probably worth considering. Leivo doesn't do much more me, so I'm really looking at it as Domi and Strome for Nylander. That's tough. Domi and Strome might each have the lowest trade value they'll have at any point in the next decade. One or the other or both might end up a complete disappointment. There's a ton of risk on both sides. If Nylander can be as effective at C as he looks to be on the wing, then it's definitely a stop, look and listen.
As a Leaf's fan first and Coyotes second I'll try to stop laughing as I write this affirmative NO.
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