Confirmed with Link: McGinn re-signs for 2 years (2.1M AAV, 1.9M/2.3M)

[bleedgreen]

I think the goalies will duke it out in camp and if Reimer doesn’t win number two we try to waive or move him then. He’s got a good shot at winning number two though.

It’s Ned’s camp to shine and steal a spot.

Congrats to McGinn, homegrown talent working his way up. Don’t mind the deal at all. I think he still has a little more pop than we’ve seen, but if he brings what he’s already brought good enough for me.

 

[Negan4Coach]

I'm just thinking the dropoff from Reimer to Ned is probably not that big, if there is a dropoff at all. I might be higher on Ned than some people, but from what I've seen he looks super composed and confident. He's only played 2 NHL games but in both games he played at a high level and did not at all look intimidated.

I think its outrageous how long this Ned thing has been dragging on. They should have brought him up during the end of the last year of the Bill Peters fiasco, and got a look at how he does at the NHL level.

How long are they going to "develop" this guy. He just won the goddamned Calder Cup- either he is good enough for this team or get rid of him.

This guy is going to wind up burning his 2 year extension in the AHL and then get go UFA to some other team and crush it.

 

[emptyNedder]

How long are they going to "develop" this guy.

Looking at the list of NHL goalies, it does seem that two full seasons in the AHL is the limit. Then goalies are given backup duties for a season or two. Though Binnington was a pretty successful exception.

As always seems to be the case, goalies are hard to project/predict.

 

[HisIceness]

I'm fine with this signing.

 

[My Special Purpose]

This just leaves Saku as the only RFA not signed, right?

Forsberg as well.

Well, McKeown and Carrick are both RFAs as well. I know we're expecting McKeown back, but nothing is done. Carrick actually had arb. rights, so it's really weird that he didn't file. I know he basically said "good bye" by Tweet last month, but as far as I know, we still have his rights and he can't go anywhere. So I'm not sure what to make of Trevor's situation.

I think the goalies will duke it out in camp and if Reimer doesn’t win number two we try to waive or move him then. He’s got a good shot at winning number two though.

It’s Ned’s camp to shine and steal a spot.

Congrats to McGinn, homegrown talent working his way up. Don’t mind the deal at all. I think he still has a little more pop than we’ve seen, but if he brings what he’s already brought good enough for me.

I think I've figured this out, at least in terms of what GMBC was thinking with the goaltending. I think it's a three-year plan. The key is getting one year out of Reimer this season before Nedeljkovic's one-way contract in 2020-21 kicks in. I suspect we're treating Reimer similarly to McElhinney, even though he's got an extra year on his contract, simply because it can be bought out if it doesn't work out. It shouldn't be that hard to buy us a year while Ned and/or Forsberg puts the finishing touches on their game and Kochetkov finishes up in Russia. He's not Scott Darling.

After that, we can do whatever we want with him. After he makes his $3.1 million this year, he's only got $3.1 million left for 2020-21. At worst, we buy that out for $1.033 million each of the next two seasons.

Year 1 (2019-20): Mrazek -NHL starter; Reimer - NHL backup
Nedeljkovic/Forsberg - two-way contracts in the AHL, either able to step in at NHL level; Booth/Helvig - ECHL; Kochetkov - Russia

Year 2 (2020-21): Mrazek - NHL starter; Nedeljkovic - NHL backup
Forsberg/Booth/Kochetkov/Helvig - two-way contracts in AHL/ECHL

Year 3 (2021-22): This is going to be fun. We currently have zero goalies signed past 2021. What we *will* have is two seasons of data from six goalies. I think the hope is that we can go with two young goalies (Ned will be 25/Kochetkov will be 22) and save a ton of money. But we could always re-sign Mrazek or another 1A type guy if we don't get lucky with the prospects. There are also expansion draft ramifications here, but I don't want to get into them right now. Basically, we have huge competition and a wide-open No. 1 spot in the summer of 2021.

If Willy doesn't return, i'd start with

Dzingel Aho Svech
NN Staal TT
Haula Wallmark Necas
Foegele Marty McGinn

The *one* thing the org has actually gone out of their way to make clear is that they got Haula to be the No. 3 center. The haven't put anybody else on any line, but they were adamant about the fact that Haula will fill that role. Any line chart that doesn't included Haula at No. 3 center is just going to be wrong for that reason. I'm still going with:

Nino Aho Svech
Dzingel Staal Teravainen
McGinn Haula Necas
Foegele Wallmark Martinook

 

[Chrispy]

After that, we can do whatever we want with him. After he makes his $3.1 million this year, he's only got $3.1 million left for 2020-21. At worst, we buy that out for $1.033 million each of the next two seasons.

Year 1 (2019-20): Mrazek -NHL starter; Reimer - NHL backup
Nedeljkovic/Forsberg - two-way contracts in the AHL, either able to step in at NHL level; Booth/Helvig - ECHL; Kochetkov - Russia

Year 2 (2020-21): Mrazek - NHL starter; Nedeljkovic - NHL backup
Forsberg/Booth/Kochetkov/Helvig - two-way contracts in AHL/ECHL

Year 3 (2021-22): This is going to be fun. We currently have zero goalies signed past 2021. What we *will* have is two seasons of data from six goalies. I think the hope is that we can go with two young goalies (Ned will be 25/Kochetkov will be 22) and save a ton of money. But we could always re-sign Mrazek or another 1A type guy if we don't get lucky with the prospects. There are also expansion draft ramifications here, but I don't want to get into them right now. Basically, we have huge competition and a wide-open No. 1 spot in the summer of 2021.

I agree this is the long-term plan, but buying out Reimer won't be much savings. He has a $2.25M signing bonus next year and only $850K salary, so the savings would only be $283K total if they buy him out.

Makes more sense to pay the bonus and then send him to someone looking for a cheap backup who has cap space.

 

[zman77]

McGinn is an excellent signing by the 'Canes.
Championship teams have balance with grinders and skill players.
Brock is a 'team first guy' who scores big goals and a strong physical presence.

 

[Canes]

I think its outrageous how long this Ned thing has been dragging on. They should have brought him up during the end of the last year of the Bill Peters fiasco, and got a look at how he does at the NHL level.

How long are they going to "develop" this guy. He just won the goddamned Calder Cup- either he is good enough for this team or get rid of him.

This guy is going to wind up burning his 2 year extension in the AHL and then get go UFA to some other team and crush it.

His first couple years in the AHL weren't impressive in the slightest, especially for a goalie picked in the top 50. There's a reason a team starved for goaltending talent left him down there year after year. He put together a pretty good season last year but it's tough to say how much of that had to do with the team he was on. He's going to have a chance to win the backup job this year, but he is going to have to earn it rather than being handed the job which is a good thing. And keeping him around for 2 years gives us depth, which is another good thing. If he ever proves he's good enough, there will be a spot for him.

 

[spockBokk]

I think its outrageous how long this Ned thing has been dragging on. They should have brought him up during the end of the last year of the Bill Peters fiasco, and got a look at how he does at the NHL level.

How long are they going to "develop" this guy. He just won the goddamned Calder Cup- either he is good enough for this team or get rid of him.

This guy is going to wind up burning his 2 year extension in the AHL and then get go UFA to some other team and crush it.

Garrett Sparks says hello... he wasn’t ready for full time NHL duty after winning AHL goalie of the year in 17-18...

Nedeljkovic will get his chance, he just has to earn it.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I think its outrageous how long this Ned thing has been dragging on. They should have brought him up during the end of the last year of the Bill Peters fiasco, and got a look at how he does at the NHL level.

How long are they going to "develop" this guy. He just won the goddamned Calder Cup- either he is good enough for this team or get rid of him.

This guy is going to wind up burning his 2 year extension in the AHL and then get go UFA to some other team and crush it.

Maybe the Canes didn’t bring him up under Peters because he was a .881 goalie that was demoted to the ECHL his first year and had a unimpressive .903 sv% his second year.

In other words, he belonged in the AHL where he could properly develop.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Maybe the Canes didn’t bring him up under Peters because he was a .881 goalie that was demoted to the ECHL his first year and had a unimpressive .903 sv% his second year.

In other words, he belonged in the AHL where he could properly develop.

Outrageous!!!

 

[AD Skinner]

 

[emptyNedder]

I am somewhere in the middle.

I agree that Ned not playing yet is far from outrageous. However, he should be the default backup for this season based on his history. Several have mentioned the he struggled in his first year in the AHL—that is true. In 17-18 he was solid, his sv% was not spectacular, but his GAA and (most importantly) his record of 31-12-3 with five shutouts shouldn't be confused with struggling.
He was drafted in the 2nd round because he was one of the best junior goalies in the world. A fact he reinforced by being one of the top two goalies in the WJC20. Then last season he was the best goalie in the AHL. Someone made the point that the comparison with Sparks is misleading because Sparks was 24. Players who have won the award before 24 are Matt Murray, Peter Bernier, and Corey Schneider.

For me the most important fact is that Ned won a big game in the NHL. The Canes started to turn their season around in January. But I am sure most of us forget that the Canes were 1-2-1 (and would have been 1-3-0 if not for some last minute TT/Aho heroics in Calgary) in the four games before Ned played. Ned was up to moment. Many players/games were important in the Canes making it back to the playoffs. Most of us are undervaluing Ned's contribution.

 

[bleedgreen]

He shouldn’t spend a day in the NHL without beating others out for the job imo. If he can’t beat out Reimer than he isn’t the goalie some people think he is.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I have zero problem if Ned earns the back-up role in camp and makes the team as the backup. I have no problem if the coaching staff decides he needs more time in the AHL as they clearly know more than we do when it comes to the ins and outs of goalie play and get to watch him 100x more than we do. They also probably have a better feel for what is best for the team short term and long term.

Nothing outrageous about it.

 

[MinJaBen]

He shouldn’t spend a day in the NHL without beating others out for the job imo. If he can’t beat out Reimer than he isn’t the goalie some people think he is.

Generally, I agree that any player should be forced to beat out a guy over being gifted a spot. However, as Rod said last year, that sounds good on paper, but when guys come in with contracts that are very different, there is more than their play that is considered in who "beats out" who. Also, for goalies, this is even tougher. With only a few games in the preseason and practices being such a crap shoot for evaluating goalie play, it is really tough to beat out anyone in an obvious way.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

I did not expect to see a mighty boosh gif on here. Well, except for maybe old Gregg because everyone has somehow seen that clip despite never watching the show. Still one of my favourite shows of all time.

 

[bleedgreen]

Generally, I agree that any player should be forced to beat out a guy over being gifted a spot. However, as Rod said last year, that sounds good on paper, but when guys come in with contracts that are very different, there is more than their play that is considered in who "beats out" who. Also, for goalies, this is even tougher. With only a few games in the preseason and practices being such a crap shoot for evaluating goalie play, it is really tough to beat out anyone in an obvious way.

He can still outshine in camp, or at least stand out as playing well. If the contracts force Reimer to be the guy he just has to bide his time. If Reimer doesn’t play well enough and our season needs better goaltending, and Ned played well in camp you’d think the leash would be short for Reimer regardless of contracts. We sent Darling to the minors.

 

[GoldiFox]

I did not expect to see a mighty boosh gif on here. Well, except for maybe old Gregg because everyone has somehow seen that clip despite never watching the show. Still one of my favourite shows of all time.

I like weird but The Mighty Boosh was just too bizarre. In the same vein I prefer "Look Around You"

 

[Unsustainable]

My thoughts on the Reimer...

We roll Mrazek and Reimer, Reimer likely gets at a .920, and then we trade him for a asset in the offseason and roll Mrazek and Ned the following season.

 

[AD Skinner]

I like weird but The Mighty Boosh was just too bizarre. In the same vein I prefer "Look Around You"

The first episode of Mighty Boosh I watched after the clips from Old Gregg that everybody has seen was Eels, and I thought no way this is too weird for me. A few years later I got into the first series where they are at the zoo which is slightly more grounded than the later junk shop episodes and was able to warm up to it a lot more. I believe they are on hulu if you are into that, my favorite of those episodes is probably "Hitcher"

 

[My Special Purpose]

I think its outrageous how long this Ned thing has been dragging on. They should have brought him up during the end of the last year of the Bill Peters fiasco, and got a look at how he does at the NHL level.

How long are they going to "develop" this guy. He just won the goddamned Calder Cup- either he is good enough for this team or get rid of him.

This guy is going to wind up burning his 2 year extension in the AHL and then get go UFA to some other team and crush it.

Others have debunked this pretty thoroughly, but I just wanted to add that it's obvious there's one person who doesn't feel the same way you do about "this Ned thing:" Alex Nedeljkovic.

He signed pretty quickly this summer for two more years, the first of which is a two-way deal. Ned knows the deal. He's not upset. He's 23, which is still young for goalies. He's guaranteed $150k this year, even if he spends the whole year in the AHL, but he's got a legit shot to make the NHL club. Then he's guaranteed $750k in 2020-21 on a one-way deal. He's being treated very fairly here, and he knows it.

Hell, Ilya Sorokin is considered one of the hottest goalie prospects in the NHL despite not playing a single game in North America and he's five months *older* than Ned.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Goalies who played their rookie season at age 24+:

Pekka Rinne, Ben Bishop, Ryan Miller, Martin Jones, Corey Crawford, Mike Smith, Jimmy Howard, Jake Allen, Jonas Hiller, Devan Dubnyk, Antti Raanta, Philipp Grubauer, Jordan Binnington

Of course that doesn't mean Ned is the real thing... there have been plenty of busts in this age range as well. But the 24 y/o season isn't anywhere near the cutoff point for a quality G prospect. Fish-or-cut-bait comes more around age 26, where the odds really are against a player breaking into the league unless there's a weird circumstance involved.

 

[geehaad]

Peter Bernier

For me the most important fact is that Ned won a big game in the NHL. The Canes started to turn their season around in January. But I am sure most of us forget that the Canes were 1-2-1 (and would have been 1-3-0 if not for some last minute TT/Aho heroics in Calgary) in the four games before Ned played. Ned was up to moment. Many players/games were important in the Canes making it back to the playoffs. Most of us are undervaluing Ned's contribution.

...OR...

You are overvaluing his contribution. In any case, let's not conflate this with the notion that he is worthy of being entitled to the #2 spot.

 

[NotOpie]

....and despite Rod's talk about contracts and such, his team hews closest to one where players have to earn their positions and their playing time.

I have no problem if the coaching staff decides he needs more time in the AHL as they clearly know more than we do when it comes to the ins and outs of goalie play and get to watch him 100x more than we do.

I would suggest, up until last season, I'm not sure anybody in this organization knew what the f*** it took to be an NHL goalie.