McDavids stats transformed to a goalie (or other sports)

[alko]

Connor McDavid did a really good season. Now the question: How should look like a goalie stats, if they want to match McDavid?

Or how could we transform it to another leagues (NBA, NFL...).

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[Rabid Ranger]

Prime Hasek or maybe Wizards Jordan.

 

[agent082]

Regular season Patrick Roy and regular season Tom Brady.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

98-99 Hasek

SV% leaders that year
1. 0.937
2. 0.926
3. 0.923
4. 0.923
5. 0.922

 

[Miri]

He should play goalie next year. There is nothing else for him to prove playing as forward. New challenges!

 

[islandersbob]

Air Coryell era Dan Fouts. At the time he was playing a different game than everyone else. A different generation of players make him not look as good stat wise as he is/was (current NFL QBs, 80's hockey).

 

[torniojaws]

Hasek at his peak was a league above NHL, so I'd go with that.

McDavid wins Art Ross by having close enough to twice as many points as two other Top 10 scorers combined.

 

[Mickey Marner]

I don't know how you'd transform his numbers to a goalie since McDavid is judged by accumulated stats and goalies are judged by averaged stats.

He kind of reminds me of a young Randy Moss with how they both blow by defenders like they're not even there and create something out of nothing.

 

[Black Kevin]

2011 Peyton Manning?

 

[Helistin]

Not sure how to convert his numbers to a goalie but if he were a mathematician think he would compare to prime Pierre-Simon Laplace or Joseph-Louis Lagrange. Maybe even Carl Friedrich Gauss.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

Probably Bjørn Dæhlie. Winningest male cross country skier in history, and the highest recorded VO2 max.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

2015 Carey Price

 

[Cricket Green]

The young'ns getting a little taste of what Gretzky's Oilers days were like. Cute to see them get excited. Understandably, shit has been largely boring since Lemieux/Jagr.

 

[Snipes45]

We call that Thatcher Demko a lot lol

God I dream of having a goalie like him on the Oilers lol

Vancouver is ELITE and developing goalies. Jealous as hell

 

[Kamina]

Prime Hasek or maybe Wizards Jordan.

Surely you mean Bulls Jordan, but yes

 

[MadLuke]

How should look like a goalie stats, if they want to match McDavid?

I think there 2 ways to look at it:

1) An gross evaluation on how much goal created over the nhl average first line center McDavid, what save percentage does a goaltender need when playing a lot of games to save that many goal versus the average starting goaltender. or it can above replacement player has well.

2) How it rank among center first line performer all-time versus how it rank among goaltender.

The top 31 center excluding McDavid this year scored an average 50.26 points, McDavid double that for 105 points, according to hockey reference he created 37 goals.

The top 30 goaltender this year averaged 977 shot against and let in 87.5 goals, .9104 save percentage.

If you want a goaltender to save 40 goals or so you probably want to play enough to receive 1,400 shots and give away only 86 goals (.939 save percentage)

Tim Thomas/hasek peak over a high volume in this current high scoring environment could be similar if that Hockey reference goal created estimate is good.

If is 55 points above the average first line center created closer to say 50 goals in reality that would be having .946 while playing 47-48 games on a team that receive a lot of shots

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Surely you mean Bulls Jordan, but yes

No, but I was joking in joke thread so....

 

[nhlfan9191]

2015 Carey Price

This would be a close comparable other then Hasek obviously. You can’t compare goalies and skaters because they’re completely different positions. But when you look at two players playing behind an average to bad team and carrying them, this is as close as a comparable as you’ll get with this debate.

 

[Oddbob]

As goalie: 6.78 G.AA - .773 SV% with 1 goal and 40 assists.

 

[North Cole]

As goalie: 6.78 G.AA - .773 SV% with 1 goal and 40 assists.

Damn, so Marty Brodeur with an average D infront of him?

Jokes aside, if people wanted to take the isolated divisions to the next level (dont think the impact is that much), then the comparison for me is like Nadal at Roland Garros. Dudes a monster on all courts, but on clay hes like some kind of diety. That said, while different than all other courts, clay is extremely difficult so it doesn't really match the narrative of the North division being free points.

Hard to believe but Nadal is even more dominant on clay than McDavid haha.

 

[COHawk]

McDavid wins Art Ross by having close enough to twice as many points as two other Top 10 scorers combined.

Huh?

Scheifele and Crosby were #9/10 at 63/62 points. Multiply by two... 124, combine them... 248.

 

[MadLuke]

This would be a close comparable other then Hasek obviously. You can’t compare goalies and skaters because they’re completely different positions. But when you look at two players playing behind an average to bad team and carrying them, this is as close as a comparable as you’ll get with this debate.

I think you can compare them, specially if the skaters is an offensive machine, a goal saved over the average standard starting goaltender versus how many goal created versus the average first liner for example is a possible way to evaluate what prime Hasek value was versus prime Jagr for example. Arguably easier than comparing forward vs defenceman.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I think you can compare them, specially if the skaters is an offensive machine, a goal saved over the average standard starting goaltender versus how many goal created versus the average first liner for example is a possible way to evaluate what prime Hasek value was versus prime Jagr for example. Arguably easier than comparing forward vs defenceman.

Fair point. But goaltending is a specialized position evaluated on averages while all skaters, forwards and defenseman, are evaluated on accumulated stats. I do agree though, it’s easier to compare a forward and a goaltender as far dominating their position then it is a defenseman because there’s a lot of different factors that go into what makes actually makes a defenseman great. Point production or even being very sound defensively doesn’t automatically make the great or even good.

 

[MadLuke]

Fair point. But goaltending is a specialized position evaluated on averages while all skaters, forwards and defenseman, are evaluated on accumulated stats. I do agree though, it’s easier to compare a forward and a goaltender as far dominating their position then it is a defenseman because there’s a lot of different factors that go into what makes actually makes a defenseman great. Point production or even being very sound defensively doesn’t automatically make the great or even good.

In a way the goaltender is accumulated goal saved versus regular starter like the forward in that way and both can loose some during a bad streak not just gain.

 

[TheOtherOne]

33 shutouts, 72 saves

33 home runs, 72 runs

33 touchdowns, 72 sacks

33 baskets, 72 assists

33 goals, 72 red cards