McDavid/Draisaitl vs Crosby/Malkin

[Habs10025]

Crosby/Malkin.

 

[theicebox]

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Nah we don’t have a dman that could touch Gonchar/Letang and Koskinen is nowhere near MAF.

I agree with him that the 09 pens were one of the weaker cup winners, but the roster was still much deeper than the oilers of the past few years. Pens defense was Gonchar-Orpik, Letang-Eaton, Scuderi-Gill, Crosby-Malkin-Staal down the middle and Fleury in net. Really solid backbone to work with. That said it's still true that Crosby-Malkin flat out carried the team to that cup.

 

[Gurglesons]

How anyone is saying McDavid / Draisaitl at this point is bizarre.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

How anyone is saying McDavid / Draisaitl at this point is bizarre.

I'm assuming the people that voted for them were assuming the poll is about *right now*. Because if it's about at their prime/peak, then the Pens duo should have 100% of the votes.

 

[Video Nasty]

29 seasons versus 11 seasons.

Crosby/Malkin of course.

The potential is there for McDavid/Drai.

 

[McFlash97]

I think this poll is about now

How anyone is saying McDavid / Draisaitl at this point is bizarre.

your missing the point, some think the pools means Now and others are rating based on Past.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Most people including Oiler fans should say Crosby/Malkin.


That said, even when both Crosby / Malking were injured, the Penguins were an incredibly formidable team without them.

 

[McFlash97]

Most people including Oiler fans should say Crosby/Malkin.


That said, even when both Crosby / Malking were injured, the Penguins were an incredibly formidable team without them.

past sure,

Now .. Draisaitl and McDavid win it hands down.

 

[BAM]

Cups = Pens

talent= Oilers

Talent wise out of the 4 its

Crosby/McDavid
Malkin
LD

So no, the Pens duo is more talented. The same forward depth Oiler fans complain about is what Sid and Geno had for most of their careers. And they never spent good chunks of any season as the other's most common line-mate unlike McDavid and LD.

 

[BAM]

I get what your point is and you most likely are right but not all situations are equal. You're comparing playing with Leafs' players compared to playing with McDavid. And, Panarin is a much better player than Tavares is on the offensive side.

So while the 160 point projection is obviously crazy, I'm pretty sure Panarin would be a 105+ point scorer playing alongside McDavid. He was on pace for 113 points this past season on a lottery team without him.

Since Panarin has been in the NHL (5 seasons worth)

ppg = 1.06, average of 87 points per season

Tavares in the 5 years Panarin has been in the NHL
ppg = 0.96, average of 79 points per season

Panarin was the sole superstar forward on the Jackets like Tavares was on the Isles. Panarin had the chance to play with peak Kane and now a 1C in Zibby, Tavares' best winger was Marner and player overall was Matthews.

An 8 point gap in averages constitutes a much better player on the offensive side?

 

[Dion TheFluff]

Crosby > McDavid
Malkin >>> Draisaitl

eazy peazy lemon squizy

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Talent wise out of the 4 its

Crosby/McDavid
Malkin
LD

So no, the Pens duo is more talented. The same forward depth Oiler fans complain about is what Sid and Geno had for most of their careers. And they never spent good chunks of any season as the other's most common line-mate unlike McDavid and LD.

I hate this argument. Every time it's ever brought up.

Reverse the teams around them.


Do you honestly believe Crosby/Malkin are going to carry that Oilers team with Smith/Koskinen in net, and that putrid Defense with that horrible depth?

You honestly believe that's a cup-winning roster, if they just swapped out McDavid for Crosby?



Use your head when you post this nonsense.

 

[BAM]

I hate this argument. Every time it's ever brought up.

Reverse the teams around them.


Do you honestly believe Crosby/Malkin are going to carry that Oilers team with Smith/Koskinen in net, and that putrid Defense with that horrible depth?

You honestly believe that's a cup-winning roster, if they just swapped out McDavid for Crosby?



Use your head when you post this nonsense.

I hate when Oiler fans do this, all in their feelings because someone doesn't think their opinion is true.

Fine lets, reverse the teams, you seriously think McDavid and LD produce what they do WITHOUT playing together as much as they have?

The McDavid era started with Hall, McDavid, LD, RNH...it's not Crosby/Malkin fault that they lost one.

Enough with the hypotheticals...all we know is what we've seen. LD as great an offensive talent that he is, is not McDavid, Crosby or Malkin level. And he's also a negative in the defensive-zone...like really bad. Those 3 were superstars the moment they hit NHL ice. LD wasn't that.

McDavid/Crosby
Malkin
LD

 

[Islay1989]

One of those guys doesn't belong anywhere near the other three.

 

[Spawn]

Depends on the question.

If you're asking who is better right now it's McDavid and Draisaitl and to suggest otherwise is in my opinion disingenuous.

If you're asking peak than it's Crosby and Malkin and it is equally disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

Draisaitl is the weak link in the discussion. He needs a few more seasons as one of the very best players in the league to be able to enter the discussion. There is also of course the playoff success that the Oilers duo will need to start to have to legitimately enter the conversation.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

In 5 years let's see what McDavid and Driastl do together and then maybe it is them.

Malkin and Crosby have had amazing careers and 3 cups. Obviously right now I'd take the Oilers DUO younger etc.

Very fun watching all 4 players on the ice though.

 

[Varan]

Since Panarin has been in the NHL (5 seasons worth)

ppg = 1.06, average of 87 points per season

Tavares in the 5 years Panarin has been in the NHL
ppg = 0.96, average of 79 points per season

Panarin was the sole superstar forward on the Jackets like Tavares was on the Isles. Panarin had the chance to play with peak Kane and now a 1C in Zibby, Tavares' best winger was Marner and player overall was Matthews.

An 8 point gap in averages constitutes a much better player on the offensive side?

Why are you bringing up stats from his draft? I'm talking about right now and in this past season, Panarin finished 3rd in scoring and outscored Tavares by 35 points. This season was when he really took a big leap into superstardom/MVP-caliber player.

The year before, he had one fewer point than Tavares, who just had his career year in 3 fewer games played, while playing on a much worse team than the Leafs. Leafs were 7th in the league standings compared to 26th for the Rangers.

Talking about right NOW, and right now, Panarin is worlds better offensively. A 35 point gap suggests that. The Rangers are fighting for the #1 pick without Panarin. The Leafs, more or less, have the same team from last year.

 

[Someone]

Crosby and Malkin are approaching the end of their careers which have seen success, both personal and team, at the highest level. They have both taken home every trophy (including 2 cups) that you could hope for, and basically guaranteed their spot in the hall of fame, and a spot in the discussion in all time best lists.

McDavid and Draisaitl are at the beginning of their careers. Both have had tremendous personal success already with art ross/hart/lindsay trophies but have a long way to go to equal the longevity, consistency, and team success that the pens duo has had. While there is every chance the Oilers duo can approach, if not exceed what Crosby and Malkin have done, to expect/project them to is pretty difficult to do, and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Didn’t we have a similar question with MacKinnon & Rantanen last year? Crosby & Malkin have ripped up the league consistently, they were dominant in the playoffs and have 3 Stanley Cups each. Leon was a -7 despite winning the Hart and seems lost at times in his own end (Crosby +175 career), this isn’t even close.

 

[McVespa99]

If we are talking now its the Oilers. If we are talking peak or career to date its the Pens.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Original poll

 

[McVespa99]

One of those guys doesn't belong anywhere near the other three.

Thats a little harsh. Malkin is a damn good player too.

 

[DearDiary]

Crosby and Malkin are approaching the end of their careers which have seen success, both personal and team, at the highest level. They have both taken home every trophy (including 2 cups) that you could hope for, and basically guaranteed their spot in the hall of fame, and a spot in the discussion in all time best lists.

McDavid and Draisaitl are at the beginning of their careers. Both have had tremendous personal success already with art ross/hart/lindsay trophies but have a long way to go to equal the longevity, consistency, and team success that the pens duo has had. While there is every chance the Oilers duo can approach, if not exceed what Crosby and Malkin have done, to expect/project them to is pretty difficult to do, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Crosby/Malkin have won 3 cups not 2. Along with 4 Cup final appearances

They've also made the playoffs 14 straight seasons (next best at 6) and won way more playoff games than anyone else.

 

[Gurglesons]

I hate this argument. Every time it's ever brought up.

Reverse the teams around them.


Do you honestly believe Crosby/Malkin are going to carry that Oilers team with Smith/Koskinen in net, and that putrid Defense with that horrible depth?

You honestly believe that's a cup-winning roster, if they just swapped out McDavid for Crosby?



Use your head when you post this nonsense.

I think in their prime they are at least a significant playoff threat with that roster.

Versus whatever the hell is going on in Edmonton.

PIT won a cup with a top six of Kunitz, Guerin, Fedotenko, and Talbot. Is that far removed from what the Oilers have right now? Even if you add in Staal, Edmonton has RNH behind McD and Drai who while not the size of Staal is arguably a better point producer and still no slouch defensively.

The defense was also better on paper, but Gonchar was significantly injured (MCL) in round 2 of 2009 so their D for the majority of the playoffs was at ES a lot of sophomore Letang, Eaton, Orpik, Gill and Scuderi. He added a little to the powerplay, but his production fell off a cliff after missing essential games in the Capital series.

The argument I guess you could make is depth wasn’t as universal as it is now in 2009.