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McDavid and Matthews have to wait to overtake Crosby

FFHockey

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McDavid is certainly dynamic and a gamechanger. After watching Matthews for a complete series I don't think he is that far from McDavid. I think he may even end up being a more complete player than McDavid in the end. It "kind of" pains me to say that about Matthews as I am a Jet fan! ;)

They are great, but they both have such a long way to go to overtake Crosby. Have watched all 3 pretty closely over the last couple weeks and to my eyes the gap between them is even greater than I thought it was.

Sid's play over the last year and a half has not come close to being matched....I know McDavid won a scoring title and Matthews will win a Calder in that time frame but man...Crosby has been all world!

We are so lucky to be able to watch these guys light it up. (That Karlsson kid ain't too shabby either:handclap:)
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Nalens Oga

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They're never going to overtake peak Crosby, that guy's one of the top 5 or 6 greatest ever I'd think.
 

Plub

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I've been saying it since both were drafted. Neither of them will ever be as good as Crosby. He's the best of both in one package.
 

KPower

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McDavid will score more points than Sid and Matthews more goals but neither will as great a player.
 
Aerchon

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Crosby was not as good as McDavid at the same age. I say that with the upmost confidence. Albiet it was close.

Give McDavid a couple years and we will see. But Crosby is imo currently a better overall player than McDavid.

McDavid is generational Mathews is not. Great player that Mathews is he has never been considered generational by non bias hockey pundits. Having said that The future is murky for mortals and who knows mathews may end up better than both McDavid and Crosby.
 
Benneguin

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I agree with you guys. Also, the Winnipeg Jets run of 5 straight cups ends in 2042, the same year Jagr retires.
 
I Hate Blake Coleman

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Aerchon said:
Crosby was not as good as McDavid at the same age. I say that with the upmost confidence. Albiet it was close.

Give McDavid a couple years and we will see. But Crosby is imo currently a better overall player than McDavid.

McDavid is generational Mathews is not. Great player that Mathews is he has never been considered generational by non bias hockey pundits. Having said that The future is murky for mortals and who knows mathews may end up better than both McDavid and Crosby.
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Crosby wasn't as good because he was better.
 
nowhereman

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Sentinel said:
5-6 what? Centers? Arguable (99, 66, Beliveau, Esposito, Messier, Sakic, Trottier, Clarke, Yzerman, and Fedorov all have a case being above him). 5-6 players? Not even close.
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Crosby is better than all of those players with the exception of Gretzky, Lemieux and arguably Beliveau. There is no argument for guys like Sakic and Fedorov being better than Sid.
 
Aceboogie

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McDavid was better in regular season. This is Mcdavids first playoffs as a 20 year old. Hes got a Canada Olympic D (Vlasic) and USA olympian and Selke Finalist (Kesler) shadowing him and he STILL has 5 points in 7 games. Not to mention entire teams game planning around him Crosby in his first playoff was pretty meh too (5 points in 5 games)

Playoffs are a learning curve for young players. I have no doubt Mcdavid will be better next regular season and next playoffs
 
vsove

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I'm very glad we were able to settle this after one year of Matthews and a year and a half of McDavid.

Here I was worried we'd need longer to judge each player, and have to do boring stuff like take into account different playing situations, different league conditions and different teammates. But we've sewn it all up nice and tidy! Thank goodness.

To be less sarcastic - I think Crosby is absolutely the better player right now. I think it's impossible to say who ends up being better over the course of a career.
 
Chet Manley

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Neither are as well rounded as Sid, but both are better at some things. McDavid could still end up better if his shooting improves. (forehand and backhand)
 

Raym11

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Aerchon said:
Crosby was not as good as McDavid at the same age. I say that with the upmost confidence. Albiet it was close.

Give McDavid a couple years and we will see. But Crosby is imo currently a better overall player than McDavid.

McDavid is generational Mathews is not. Great player that Mathews is he has never been considered generational by non bias hockey pundits. Having said that The future is murky for mortals and who knows mathews may end up better than both McDavid and Crosby.
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everything you said i disagree with
 

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If they aren't gonna be as good as Crosby, that's still better than a lot of other NHL'ers
 

Raym11

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Matthews is never going to average as many points or play a flashy style that Mcdavid plays, but their value to their respective teams might be similar. Remember how dominant someone like Zetterberg was in his prime, mentioned among the best but never actually being near the best. Doesn't mean his impact was any less the way he played the game overall.

Eichel has a better shot at matching Mcdavid in scoring
 
Soliloquy of a Dogge

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Ol Chunk O Coal said:
I think Matthews will be closer to McDavid than McDavid is to Crosby.
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There's been absolutely nothing to suggest that'll be the case at any stage of McDavid's or Matthews' careers at any level of hockey, but okay. The gap between McDavid and Crosby at the moment isn't too big so unless McDavid plateaus or regresses and those behind him make giant leaps, it's tough to see that being the case.

If Matthews can improve his pedestrian two way game instead of being sheltered with offensive zone starts and easy competition next year and eclipse a PPG pace, then he'll perhaps edge himself into the conversation. Has done nothing to separate himself from his peers in Eichel or Laine yet, let alone being compared to McDavid.
 
smackdaddy

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McDavid's better than any forward in 2016/2017 and that's a fact so I guess this thread is about hopes and dreams.
 
Erik Alfredsson

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Raym11 said:
Matthews is never going to average as many points or play a flashy style that Mcdavid plays, but their value to their respective teams might be similar. Remember how dominant someone like Zetterberg was in his prime, mentioned among the best but never actually being near the best. Doesn't mean his impact was any less the way he played the game overall.

Eichel has a better shot at matching Mcdavid in scoring
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Matthews will be a better offensive player than Zetterberg, but he won't be nearly as good defensively. His defensive game was exaggerated quite a bit going into the draft, while his offensive game was underrated. Very good goal scorer at a very young age, the guy just creates offense everywhere he goes. There's no need for a player like that to focus so hard on defense.
 
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