OneSharpMarble
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Every gm in the league is "building the farm". Why don't you pat him on the back for tying his shoes?
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Every gm in the league is "building the farm". Why don't you pat him on the back for tying his shoes?
Wow this has quickly turned into another bash thread for the blind. There are precious little sane threads left in here.
You seem to throw the bash word around with impunity?
Have you ever been struck...
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sergejean
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Seems unfortunate for other teams as well... Alberta boys for Flames (Joe Colborne, Mason Raymond, Kriss Russell) & Oilers (Matt Fraser, Rob Klinkhammer, Andrew Ference -They even made him team's captain-, Ben Scrivens) Ontario boys for Leafs and Sens and even good ol' local boys for Detroit (Justin Abdelkader, Danny DeKeyser, Luke Glendening), Minnesota (Ryan Carter, Zach Parise, Jordan Schroeder, Keith Ballard, Nate Prosser) and others...
Stop pretending like the Habs are at a "disadvantage" and are the only team in the NHL interested in signing local talents...
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Pittsburgh has one of the best collections of young blue line talent in the entire league.
They have dealt away some picks, but it's not like they're a black hole of talent or anything like that.
Not really sure I understand your comment.
No doubt Toronto has been mismanaged though.
Nice article on Bergie in todays' online Globe and Mail.http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...cements-his-role-in-montreal/article23237130/
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Team_Spirit
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A must read for any Habs fan IMO. Thanks for the link.
Now i want to go eat at Méchant Boeuf.
Bergevin is a very charistmatic and good looking man.
He earned his way to the job he has currently.
But he's getting more credit than he deserves.
He inherited EVERY core member of this team except for Galchenyuk, who was drafted 3rd overall at the start of his tenure.
He earned his way to the job he has currently.
But he's getting more credit than he deserves.
He inherited EVERY core member of this team except for Galchenyuk, who was drafted 3rd overall at the start of his tenure.
Marc Bergevin’s assist to Habs rise cements his role in Montreal
Awesome article written in the globe & mail yesterday. It describes Marc Bergevin as a person as well as his numerous connections throughout the NHL.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...cements-his-role-in-montreal/article23237130/
Awesome article written in the globe & mail yesterday. It describes Marc Bergevin as a person as well as his numerous connections throughout the NHL.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...cements-his-role-in-montreal/article23237130/
OneSharpMarble
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Toronto just traded for a bunch of draft picks, are they not "building the farm"?
They've had 1 more 1st round pick than the habs since 2008. Saying a gm is "building the farm" is such a meaningless buzz phrase only used when you have nothing substantial to use. Why don't we toss in some more meaningless buzz phrases!
- Bergevin promotes an environment of winning!
- He brings a sense of responsibility to the organization.
- Marc encourages growth and a forward thinking attitude.
- Bergevin maximizes value.
- Bergevin is building towards the future, with a clear plan in mind!
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Bergy has yet to make that one, defining move for a GM that takes a good team and makes it great.
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MB went and got Waite who has taken an immensely talented goalie who was being very inconsistent and made him realize his full potential.
He has then made surgical strikes in-season to give a second wind to the team when it was struggling (Cole for Ryder in his first year, then the Vanek/Weaver/Weise acquisition last year). All were moves which had big impact on the team's success.
He reversed the disturbing trend of us being the softest team in the league which could easily be thrown off their game by the physical stuff.
In his first year he kept talking about character. Everyone laughed and worried that MB would just acquire guys with character but who can't actually play. In the end, MB correctly identified the cancerous elements of the locker room and got rid of them one by one. Players describe the habs locker room as the best they have seen, and their experience in Montreal as the best. Human beings tend to perform better when they work in a positive environement. Kuddos to MB and MT for making that happen.
All of this may not seem like much, it may seem like small irrelevant stuff, it's clearly not tangible, but it's the difference between success and failure.
OneSharpMarble
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Here is some more fluff to pad up Bergevins ascent into "god status". Acquiring third liners will now be known henceforth as a "surgical strike"
Wow, even going so far as to give him credit for Price! The nonsense is reaching critical levels.
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Here is some more fluff to pad up Bergevins ascent into "god status". Acquiring third liners will now be known henceforth as a "surgical strike"
Wow, even going so far as to give him credit for Price! The nonsense is reaching critical levels.
So Waite, recognized as one of the in the business, had zero effect on Price ?
Ryder and Vanek are third liners now ?
The only thing that has reached critical level is your unwillingness to consider the merit of someone else's opinion.
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macavoy
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It's a shame the mods merged it in this thread. Now many people won't know that there is an article
I know it was related to the content ITT and it was posted in here first but it was unique enough and a good enough article that it deserved its own thread.
I know it was related to the content ITT and it was posted in here first but it was unique enough and a good enough article that it deserved its own thread.
Maybe by a bunch of idiots on hfboards... but I didn't see too much in Sekac to feel like the deal really mattered beyond DSP's position and size. Sekac wasn't playing, wasn't particularly useful, and showed some flashes of skill that were not representative of what he brought every night.
Smith-Pelly is big. Regardless of his scoring prowess, he is a big, imposing guy who likes to hit and block shots, he's perfect for a middling 6 role.
Every GM makes mistakes, the thing I like about Bergevin is that he is very pro active in trying to correct those mistakes with an eye on cap space and the future of the line up.
The best thing he did was lock up his elite talent, it took him some time with Subban, but he is locked up until 2022. If he would have skipped the bridge contract, we would all be freaking out because PK would be a UFA in a couple of years. Max's contract may be the best in the league, another 4 years for 4.5. Price is locked in for another 3 at 6.75, so we have to look at that as a great deal.
Habs have around 9 million in cap space going into the summer having to sign Galchenyuk, Beaulieu, Tinordi and maybe Thomas and Bournival. That is a pretty sweet situation considering what other top teams in the league are dealing with.
A big reason he has that space is because he has worked hard at getting rid of longer term contracts. He shipped Cole, Moen, Bourque and Gorges for essentially Buffalo's 2nd rounder in 2016, Connor Crisp and Sergei Gonchar. Ryder helped Mtl get to the playoffs, but was terrible after that.
He's brought in Tokarski, Thomas, Weise, PAP and Weaver essentially for our most unwanted.
The biggest deals and the ones he might get ripped for down the road are Collberg + 2nd for Vanek and Sekac for DSP. We'll see how DSP and Sekac develop. I think Mtl needed to add a guy who plays more of a power type game, it cost a lot, but it was needed.
Looking at the teams contractual situation Bergevin does not have many difficult decisions to make over the next 3 years. Plekanec is up in 16/17 and what he does with him will pretty much signal what he is going to do with DD in 17/18 (i highly doubt he is back after that, if he's still around), Eller in 18/19 (if he's still around?), same with Emelin and Price is going to get paid, no brainer.
A lot will depend on the development of McCarron, Sherbak,Hudon, Tinordi and whether they can contribute to the NHL line up while on cheap contracts. If they can a lot of guys become expendable and Bergevin should have room to bring in a big money free agent.
The best thing he did was lock up his elite talent, it took him some time with Subban, but he is locked up until 2022. If he would have skipped the bridge contract, we would all be freaking out because PK would be a UFA in a couple of years. Max's contract may be the best in the league, another 4 years for 4.5. Price is locked in for another 3 at 6.75, so we have to look at that as a great deal.
Habs have around 9 million in cap space going into the summer having to sign Galchenyuk, Beaulieu, Tinordi and maybe Thomas and Bournival. That is a pretty sweet situation considering what other top teams in the league are dealing with.
A big reason he has that space is because he has worked hard at getting rid of longer term contracts. He shipped Cole, Moen, Bourque and Gorges for essentially Buffalo's 2nd rounder in 2016, Connor Crisp and Sergei Gonchar. Ryder helped Mtl get to the playoffs, but was terrible after that.
He's brought in Tokarski, Thomas, Weise, PAP and Weaver essentially for our most unwanted.
The biggest deals and the ones he might get ripped for down the road are Collberg + 2nd for Vanek and Sekac for DSP. We'll see how DSP and Sekac develop. I think Mtl needed to add a guy who plays more of a power type game, it cost a lot, but it was needed.
Looking at the teams contractual situation Bergevin does not have many difficult decisions to make over the next 3 years. Plekanec is up in 16/17 and what he does with him will pretty much signal what he is going to do with DD in 17/18 (i highly doubt he is back after that, if he's still around), Eller in 18/19 (if he's still around?), same with Emelin and Price is going to get paid, no brainer.
A lot will depend on the development of McCarron, Sherbak,Hudon, Tinordi and whether they can contribute to the NHL line up while on cheap contracts. If they can a lot of guys become expendable and Bergevin should have room to bring in a big money free agent.
I like the guy, but he hasn't made a single addition to the core. Having said that, I like his approach for the most part, but this team was built by the GM's before him that everyone couldn't stand.
He added Chucky, with the 3rd overall pick, other than that, he's mostly acquired filler 3rd/4th line forwards and depth dman.
I'll give him credit for not squandering much in the term of assets, but this pedestal he is put on around here is troubling imo.
He added Chucky, with the 3rd overall pick, other than that, he's mostly acquired filler 3rd/4th line forwards and depth dman.
I'll give him credit for not squandering much in the term of assets, but this pedestal he is put on around here is troubling imo.
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They were rentals. Bergy hasn't added external talent to the roster whatsoever.
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