MB's Vision

[Pricef*]

Wow this has quickly turned into another bash thread for the blind. There are precious little sane threads left in here.

 

[CHarlie]

I cant express enough how happy I am at the direction this franchise is going.
Its such a breath of fresh air seeing a management team with a plan,,,,,,,a short term plan mixed with a long term plan that other teams are going to start to envy.

Im going to sit back and enjoy the present and the future and another cup real soon.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Bergevin is quickly becoming one of the top GM's in the game. The only people that don't agree with that are the ones who don't have a clue about how to buiod a team. He has a vision that will work and has the patience and confidence to withstand pressure from the mindless Montreal media and the majority of the teams clueless fans.

He is building a winning culture that should make us contenders for a long time. For the first time in a very long time I have confidence in our GM.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Looks like the LA Kings model to me.

 

[Bryson]

Looks like the LA Kings model to me.

How so? The kings are possession monsters and their smallest center is 6'1. That sounds nothing like that habs.

 

[24Cups]

Overpaying for grinders only to have them flame out a year later is a MB weakness. Prust is nowhere near the form he was in his first year here, and it won't ever come back since he opted not to have shoulder surgery. Moen was rewarded with an extension, and well, he had to get rid of him. Thankfully, Gonchar was a ****** contract that Dallas wanted to be rid of. He hit the jackpot with Weise and got rid of a Diaz who wanted to be overpaid(Gilbert is basically a bigger, older Diaz). Smith-Pelly is gonna be his make or break trade. IF Smith-Pelly becomes a 20 goal scoring PWR FWD, he'll catch a break. If Smith-Pelly becomes Lady Byng Prust, then he will slaughtered for decades....

I don't know where to begin responding to this. Despite being more disciplined in not taking stupid penalties, Prust is still leading the team in PIM by far -- hardly Lady Byng material. What are you expecting? He's also on pace to have the second best points season of his career, currently 4 points back of Eller. Also, we're talking a Sekac/Smith-Pelley trade here. Do you really think either GM will be slaughtered -- for decades no less -- if either doesn't achieve full "potential"? They were both healthy scratches at times this year for God's sake. <queue MT bashing retort>

 

[Doc McKenna]

Holy **** you need new glasses. Davey aint ideal but if there's one thing he does on a nightly basis, it's working his ass off and persevering.

I see him floating at some moments and sometimes digging, he did so much more on the third line. He plays lazy when paired with patches.

 

[76]

Bergevin is quickly becoming one of the top GM's in the game. The only people that don't agree with that are the ones who don't have a clue about how to buiod a team. He has a vision that will work and has the patience and confidence to withstand pressure from the mindless Montreal media and the majority of the teams clueless fans.

He is building a winning culture that should make us contenders for a long time. For the first time in a very long time I have confidence in our GM.

Always like your comments. I am all with you on this one too. Bergevin's work and mentality reach every aspect of the organisation, from the management to players on the ice. He is the main reason why the Montreal Canadiens is becoming again one of the top team in the league, and like you said, for a long time. People who don't see that are a joke, or completely blind or know nothing about hockey. We have one of the most coolest and brilliant GM in the league.

 

[axman88]

Ra's al Ghul aka Marc Bergevin is forming his army...!

 

[Richiebottles]

Ra's al Ghul aka Marc Bergevin is forming his army...!

Did you see the episode tonigh ? C.R.A.Z.Y

 

[CanadienShark]

I completely agree with your assessment, except the DSP part.

 

[Jabba11]

Had nowhere to post this but here's something about our GM. He's also an actor in Arrow.

***Sorry I guess I was late***

 

[Vern]

MB is a ******** genius! here is what hes done with this trade:

used the lure of mtl and maybe a offered a little more $ to beat out 20 other teams to sign him knowing that hes prob not suited to the team

then showcase him just enough to tease with his talent but not enough for him to be considered a bust, just misuse right?

knowing that it being montreal the kid will be ridiculously over hyped and over valued

then trade him for one of a handful of other teams top prospects that hes been targeting, a guy that fills needs and will probably be suited to our team.

he basically created a valuable asset to our team out of nothing.

imagine dsp scores 30 goals?

genius

and i think he did it all intentionally

 

[tinyzombies]

MB is a ******** genius! here is what hes done with this trade:

used the lure of mtl and maybe a offered a little more $ to beat out 20 other teams to sign him knowing that hes prob not suited to the team

then showcase him just enough to tease with his talent but not enough for him to be considered a bust, just misuse right?

knowing that it being montreal the kid will be ridiculously over hyped and over valued

then trade him for one of a handful of other teams top prospects that hes been targeting, a guy that fills needs and will probably be suited to our team.

he basically created a valuable asset to our team out of nothing.

imagine dsp scores 30 goals?

genius

and i think he did it all intentionally

If he manipulated the advanced stats craze to deliberately dress up a player that cannot finish and whose skills are overrated, but who is great at carrying the puck, zone entries, and will generate decent relative possession numbers... and then hide his lack of scoring ability by sinking him on zone starts and saddling him with Eller, then yes, this is genius. He used the current craze to steal a player.

But I think the Ducks traded from need too. They have had trouble with zone entries and needed to add some speed and Sekac is a specialist at that (tho DSP is a good skater, but maybe not a puck carrier like Sekac). I don't think he's a future goal scorer though. Other players say he is, but I don't see anything special about his hands or release.

Is it also possible that Sekac and DLR, and Eller's current stint with Pleks could be used to inflate Eller's value so we can snag ROR? I know Eller's possession numbers are a lot better than Vermette's. Maybe we can sell that and get a player with hockey sense? I think there is still upside on Eller if he's used in an offensive role (or, at least, can be sold that way - or both?).

 

[Karl Pilkington]

link gif please, this is amazing

 

[Karl Pilkington]

I think something else that can't be overlooked as well is how MB doesn't burn any bridges. He thinks about the players as more than just "business assets", and even in trading Sekac or Briere, he seemed to think about their situation as well as addressing the team's needs. He seems like the kind of manager you respect, and not the kind you fear.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

I don't know where to begin responding to this. Despite being more disciplined in not taking stupid penalties, Prust is still leading the team in PIM by far -- hardly Lady Byng material. What are you expecting? He's also on pace to have the second best points season of his career, currently 4 points back of Eller. Also, we're talking a Sekac/Smith-Pelley trade here. Do you really think either GM will be slaughtered -- for decades no less -- if either doesn't achieve full "potential"? They were both healthy scratches at times this year for God's sake. <queue MT bashing retort>

The real Prust racks up PIMs. A Lady Byng version of him would all of the rough stuff from the game. Smith-Pelly has the stats to suggest such a non-confrontational style.

 

[Rapala]

David Desharnais is garbage defensively and does don't work the body ever (which is the hardest part of "working hard").

You need to sue your lasik surgeon.

Optical Illusion short strides and all.

 

[Vern]

If he manipulated the advanced stats craze to deliberately dress up a player that cannot finish and whose skills are overrated, but who is great at carrying the puck, zone entries, and will generate decent relative possession numbers... and then hide his lack of scoring ability by sinking him on zone starts and saddling him with Eller, then yes, this is genius. He used the current craze to steal a player.

But I think the Ducks traded from need too. They have had trouble with zone entries and needed to add some speed and Sekac is a specialist at that (tho DSP is a good skater, but maybe not a puck carrier like Sekac). I don't think he's a future goal scorer though. Other players say he is, but I don't see anything special about his hands or release.

Is it also possible that Sekac and DLR, and Eller's current stint with Pleks could be used to inflate Eller's value so we can snag ROR? I know Eller's possession numbers are a lot better than Vermette's. Maybe we can sell that and get a player with hockey sense? I think there is still upside on Eller if he's used in an offensive role (or, at least, can be sold that way - or both?).

I dont think they "stole" him, sekac obviously has a lot of potential and is a good return for DSP all things considered, you gotta wonder if his value would be the same if he was quietly signed by a smaller market team though.

It seems to me that MB and MT clearly have a unified vision of this teams system and identity. I think they knew he was a good player but probably wouldn't excel in the role he would end up with as a rookie in our defensive system. Sekac said it himself he was expecting an offensive role on the second line and the team was scratching him because of problems with his game and defensive abilities.

sure MB bamboozled him a bit, but i am sure hes not bitter; he got a good contract for an undrafted guy, he got to get hyped up and be a star in the limelight for a bit. And now hes off to play with perry and gezlaf and kesler and contend for the cup in sunny california on one of the best teams in the league. I think MB took good care of him and other Euro ufas will be attracted to us by sekac's success.

Eller i see as someone who is bound to be severely underrated because of the role hes in, which produces very little points, while strong possession numbers corroborate that hes doing his job very well. i think Eller's value is a lot closer to ROR than people think, considering contract situation, and that MB would be unwilling to add significant futures to eller in a deal for ROR. I'm sure Roy would love to get his hands on eller though.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

MB has been pretty "meh" so far. He has had almost no impact on the team outside of management. He had a few good moves and some bad ones, average at best GM wise so far.

 

[WeThreeKings]

MB has been pretty "meh" so far. He has had almost no impact on the team outside of management. He had a few good moves and some bad ones, average at best GM wise so far.

He's building the farm system and doesn't seem to be throwing away futures. I'm fine with that.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

He's building the farm system and doesn't seem to be throwing away futures. I'm fine with that.

I don't see many gems in the farm though.

 

[Brainiac]

I don't see many gems in the farm though.

Who cares? We have Galchenyuk, Beaulieu, Gallagher, Tinordi all with the big club.

 

[macavoy]

How so? The kings are possession monsters and their smallest center is 6'1. That sounds nothing like that habs.

Rome or LA in this case wasn't built in a day. It took the Kings 7 years to win the Cup after they drafted their first line center. If we are following their model and Galchenyuk is our first line center we are building around, we got four more years to go. DD's contract will be up by then as well.

By then McCarron might be a force to be reckon with or at least a great support piece, Sherback can be some quality secondary scoring and add in more potential players like DeLaRose and some good hockey trades (Like how LA got Richards and Carter and how we got Vanek without overpaying).

All of a sudden it looks like we are on the right track and building through the draft.

 

[Sorinth]

Rome or LA in this case wasn't built in a day. It took the Kings 7 years to win the Cup after they drafted their first line center. If we are following their model and Galchenyuk is our first line center we are building around, we got four more years to go. DD's contract will be up by then as well.

By then McCarron might be a force to be reckon with or at least a great support piece, Sherback can be some quality secondary scoring and add in more potential players like DeLaRose and some good hockey trades (Like how LA got Richards and Carter and how we got Vanek without overpaying).

All of a sudden it looks like we are on the right track and building through the draft.

Did Kopitar spend 3 years on the wing before moving to center?

If the plan is to be ready 4 years from now, then we've wasted most of Price's and Pacioretty's prime years. We also have to replace Plekanec and Markov, and that's a dubious at best.