WinterLion
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Good luck to Max. Very classy guy and great player. It's too bad things went sour, but I think him leaving was right for the team and for him.
It's odd to say this when he's hitting 30 years, but I do think with the talent surrounding him in Vegas, he could absolutely hit the 40 goal mark. Whether it's Karlsson, Stastny or even Glass, it's still better than anything he's had to work with in Montreal.
With Bergevins Anti-Midas touch Max probably wins the Rocket and Conn Smythe and Tatar and Suzuki bust hard
Even his autograph looks disinterested.
For his 10 years here, I loved Patches during the 2011-2012 season when he played with Eric Cole.
Cole seemed to have a great influence in his way of playing like a genuine power forward. He was never coasting, regularly cuting in and driving the net, using his speed and body.
I always found 67 to be lazy on the back check ( most of the times was the last man to come back...specially during overtime where he is responsible for more than a few losts )
He has resorted to be a one trick pony, but then again I also noticed that last season, he lost his only tool ; his quick release. Surely I'm not the only one to notice how he was constantly fumbling with passes and could not ' one time' the puck like he used to do.
Anyways, I'm glad to see him go.
I was afraid he would be Scott Gomez 2.0 if he stayed here and had another poor season with a big contract extension.
He might flourish in Vegas playing with a good center......but can't forget how Tortorella hated his lack of commitment
Bergevin failed to bring the necessary skill and leadership to fill the top 2 lines and the captaincy. When Pacioretty is your only offensive threat, you have a problem.Class act, well spoken man who never disrespected the jersey.
Liked the person a lot and the player too. His first few years, I really thought he was going to be one of the most dynamic wingers in the game, but the Chara hit and playing with Vanek changed his game.
Still liked him, but I feel it's too bad he was both badly surrounded and thrusted into a captain role he couldn't handle.
Really wish him the best and a cup before he retires.
And those were talented centres....we now have some and on the fast track to draft another one in 2019......given our talent at wing and their ages, it’s looking good for us 2-3yrs down the road.Bergevin failed to bring the necessary skill and leadership to fill the top 2 lines and the captaincy. When Pacioretty is your only offensive threat, you have a problem.
I will say that, he will be hard if not impossible to replace for a few more years.
5/5: I say it’s 1st or 2nd line only for himAgreed. Patch was pretty good 5/5 at scoring goals. But on the PP... he was brutal. Especially this past year where he tried to be a play maker or focal point of our offense.
As far as a declining asset? I think you need to consider his strengths and how this can decline into his 30's. Do we think that he looses his shot and quick release from age 30-35? I think not. What about his skating? Maybe he had modest decline but I don't see him falling off a cliff like Gomez did. Gomez is a good player to measure when it comes to the decline factor. Gomez's game was build on speed and once he lost some of this in his early 30's, he quickly became less effective. As far as Patch, I just don't see him losing what he does best. Shooters are shooters and he won't be a major decling asset. Were talking about a very small year to year decline and almost unnoticeable. I think the biggest question is how Vegas's coach using him. After all, Gallant would know Patch very well.
PK: Yes. He can burn you and he has a long stick with a long reach. He is active with his stick and can cause trouble for the other teams PP.
PP: 2nd unit in front of the net. Not at the point or side wall.
5/5: 2nd or 3rd line is best. Playing on a team with 2 or 3 solid lines is the best situation for Patch. Once he becomes the focal point of your offense and on your top line, he can be shut down. He is best suited like the Pens use Kessel.
Pacioretty is a *****e bag who expects to be treated like a queen.
kinda like Price?
A lot of Pacioretty's production came from a footspeed advantage and his great wrister, scoring on the rush. Players (usually wingers) who depend on those two physical aspects suffer more of a late 20s decline than players who are more cerebral or have solid strength/possession game (boardwork / cycling).
He's entering a pivot point of his career where we find out if he can adapt to this new physical reality or not, where he no longer has the advantages his body's speed from 5 years ago. He'll need to learn to pick his opportunities better and become more of a playmaker. Some players manage it, others just fade.
Vegas has effectively taken on decent risk here, mitigated by the fact that it's just a 4 year contract. Surprised Patches agreed to that after he rejected the 6 year LA offer.
I give Bergevin some credit; no better place to trade his captain than a Cup Finalist plus Vegas. Bergs set him up. However, Berg's loyalty to his players is proving to be his Achilles heel. This is the third time he has taken less value to please one of his long term stars. He did it with Plekanec, he did it with Subban and now he has done it with Pacioretty.
He could have gotten a little more for Plekanec but chose to trade him to near by Toronto so he had a shot at a Cup and was near his family. Subban he could have banished him to a lowly team like the Oilers or Canucks, both were interested at the time. Hall no doubt, 4th overall in '16, would have been part of that trade. But he did him a favour by trading him to a stacked team and better run organization in Nashville. I know it is class, but man, what we lost oout on in talent?? I really question how he handled these decisions.
Engels was on 590 this week. Go listen to it yourself. If you don't know what you are talking about why respond?Um.....what???
Do you seriously Mr. "If you want loyalty get a dog" traded some of his players to better teams at a loss for the players benefit??
Where do you come up with this nonsense?
Bergevin doesn't make bad trades to help out players he is trading, he makes bad trades because he is an idiot and bad GM.
He didn't lose his quick release. There were many compounding factors which probably lowered his motivation to an all time low, like missing elite playmaking, which he had in all previous seasons and the sorry state of the team, and having to shoulder everything as the captain.
Unless he's injured, he's gonna score 30+ next season.