Matthews with 8 GWG's 1 away from tieing the NHL rookie record

[Laineux]

They moved away from the Calder thread and started infecting Matthews threads because there's no argument to be made for Laine. All the rational ones are still in that thread.

Matthews is the best rookie centre since McDavid, Malkin and Crosby. That's for the past 20ish years. So to suggest McDavid and Matthews are not comparable is laughable. Matthews scores more goals, better at faceoffs, and has a better shot.

If McDavid is a 100 point player in his prime, Matthews definitely can score 90 while playing a playoff style of hockey. McDavid is better, but if there's a player in the NHL that's gonna challenge McDavid over the next few years it Matthews. Some fans just cannot admit this

McDavid is a 100 point player right now. Thinking his prime will be more like 120 points.

 

[TheNumber4]

They moved away from the Calder thread and started infecting Matthews threads because there's no argument to be made for Laine. All the rational ones are still in that thread.

Matthews is the best rookie centre since McDavid, Malkin and Crosby. That's for the past 20ish years. So to suggest McDavid and Matthews are not comparable is laughable. Matthews scores more goals, better at faceoffs, and has a better shot.

If McDavid is a 100 point player in his prime, Matthews definitely can score 90 while playing a playoff style of hockey. McDavid is better, but if there's a player in the NHL that's gonna challenge McDavid over the next few years it Matthews. Some fans just cannot admit this

Nah it'll be Eichel.

 

[TheNumber4]

Yes there is if you actually take the Leafs hate goggles off.

Matthews 9 more goals than McDavid with one game less played. Obviously McDavid has many more assists than Matthews.

But if you step back, Matthews is a rookie. McDavid has one year over him in the NHL. Connor's assist come from others finishing what he started. Mattews doesn't always have a finisher on his line and therefore must be the guy.

Not really comparing apples to oranges here but the difference is, one guys scores a lot (and might even become a setup man next season as well), the other sets guys up a lot.

Both are young and both will be exciting for years to come.

I'd say they are pretty close in that they drive their line and their team. Both are still young enough that we're gonna see them keep getting better.

McDavid scored at over a PPG like a true generational player does in his first rookie year and Matthews does not. These are just FACTS. If the only reason Matthews is close to McDavid because he drives his line and his team, then by that metric Hall is close to McDavid, Seguin is close to McDavid, Eichel is close to McDavid etc etc etc. The fact is, there are like 20 players objectively and statistically closer to McDavid than Matthews. And the only reason Matthews is in the conversation is because leafs fans are still super bitter that they didn't get McDavid so they have to go into overdrive mode trying to compensate and ale Matthews on the same level despite no evidence backing up that assertion.

 

[Yasuo]

McDavid has played 300 more minutes than Matthews this season. I wonder if that might have an impact on their raw point totals. Don't know why you guys are so militant about overstating the gap.

Mcdavid actually play on the Pk you know

 

[Oak]

He's better than McDavid because he played cross ice growing up and McDavid didnt!!!

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Nah it'll be Eichel.

lol, no. It'll be the guy who's been better at every comparable point in their careers

 

[Oak]

Nah it'll be Eichel.

You've made some sense in your other posts but this is just laughable. Eichel good but not comparable to Mathews.

 

[TheNumber4]

You've made some sense in your other posts but this is just laughable. Eichel good but not comparable to Mathews.

It's debateable now that Eichels back from injury and shown to be able to score at a point per game pace almost on par with McDavids numbers. But that's my opinion and it's not as out there as leafs nation would want everyone to beleive. The truth is Eichel and Matthews are debatably close, and if Eichel ain't close to McDavid then neither is Matthews. I'll restate again, I'm not saying Matthews is a bad player, he in fact is a great player, so is Eichel, so is Laine. But to pretend that Matthews is "generational" because of ignoring assists and cherry picking stats is an insult to truly generational players.

 

[DeeQ]

They moved away from the Calder thread and started infecting Matthews threads because there's no argument to be made for Laine. All the rational ones are still in that thread.

Matthews is the best rookie centre since McDavid, Malkin and Crosby. That's for the past 20ish years. So to suggest McDavid and Matthews are not comparable is laughable. Matthews scores more goals, better at faceoffs, and has a better shot.

If McDavid is a 100 point player in his prime, Matthews definitely can score 90 while playing a playoff style of hockey. McDavid is better, but if there's a player in the NHL that's gonna challenge McDavid over the next few years it Matthews. Some fans just cannot admit this

Lol why the hate towards the finns all the time?

There is one poster here (who btw seems to be a big fan of McDavid, so maybe, just maaybe this has nothing to do with Laine) claiming that McDavid is better than Matthews. Yeah It's so outlandish to even think so

 

[TheDoldrums]

Mcdavid actually play on the Pk you know

His PK play (less than 50 seconds a game) does not account for his 300 additional minutes played. Most of that is from over 2 minutes more ES time per game, as well as more PP time. And PK shifts still have opportunities for points, obviously.

 

[TheNumber4]

His PK play (less than 50 seconds a game) does not account for his 300 additional minutes played. Most of that is from over 2 minutes more ES time per game, as well as more PP time. And PK shifts still have opportunities for points, obviously.

Yeh truly generational players get ice time to carry their team to possibly winning their division. Maybe if Matthews was as good, the coach would reward him with similar opportunities.

 

[Leafidelity]

Yeh truly generational players get ice time to carry their team to possibly winning their division. Maybe if Matthews was as good, the coach would reward him with similar opportunities.

More like truly good teams have more than one line

 

[TheDoldrums]

Yeh truly generational players get ice time to carry their team to possibly winning their division. Maybe if Matthews was as good, the coach would reward him with similar opportunities.

Okay.

1. Matthews is a rookie. His ice-time will increase next season. You know, like McDavid who went from under 19 minutes in his rookie year to over 21 this season.

2. The Leafs are simply a deeper offensive team that can actually run three good lines

 

[Mitchy]

Just broke the franchise record for rookie points.

 

[Pi]

Okay.

1. Matthews is a rookie. His ice-time will increase next season. You know, like McDavid who went from under 19 minutes in his rookie year to over 21 this season.

2. The Leafs are simply a deeper offensive team that can actually run three good lines

Yep. There is a reason the Leafs have so few injuries and score so much. Three balanced lines that can wreak a match up nightmare and our player have fresh legs because no one needs to be overplayed. Not on ES or PP.

Case in point tonight: Three goals under a minute, by seperate lines.

 

[one77]

Lol he is one of the best rookies the league has seen since Crosby... on another level already at the age of 19. Nylander and Marner look dynamic too wow

 

[Eyedea]

McDavid scored at over a PPG like a true generational player does in his first rookie year and Matthews does not. These are just FACTS. If the only reason Matthews is close to McDavid because he drives his line and his team, then by that metric Hall is close to McDavid, Seguin is close to McDavid, Eichel is close to McDavid etc etc etc. The fact is, there are like 20 players objectively and statistically closer to McDavid than Matthews. And the only reason Matthews is in the conversation is because leafs fans are still super bitter that they didn't get McDavid so they have to go into overdrive mode trying to compensate and ale Matthews on the same level despite no evidence backing up that assertion.

Matthews has 59 primary points in 78 games (the 78th still being played). McDavid had 32 primary points in 45 games during his rookie year. By this metric he has been among the top players in the league (I think he's t-6th?) in primary points for the season. Pretty good indication of the direct impact he brings to the offence.

 

[Liminality]

He could potentially tie the record for rookie gwg's if Buffalo gets only one goal tonight.

(I think)

 

[TheNumber4]

Matthews has 59 primary points in 78 games (the 78th still being played). McDavid had 32 primary points in 45 games during his rookie year.

More ignoring of stats to make arguments. Ignore the fact that McDavid is the best zone entry player possibly of the last decade and he's a pass first play maker like other generational talents like Gretzky. Secondary assists matter you know.

 

[Eyedea]

More ignoring of stats to make arguments. Ignore the fact that McDavid is the best zone entry player possibly of the last decade and he's a pass first play maker like other generational talents like Gretzky. Secondary assists matter you know.

And a direct impact can show you who's driving production on their lines/teams. Trust me, I know McDavid is a god lol. Even primary points shows that. But to suggest that Matthews doesn't have generational potential because he isn't a point per game in his rookie season is pretty asinine considering the small company he has joined this year.

 

[Sam Spade]

I had no idea they kept "records" for GWG's.

 

[Bedards Dad]

I had no idea they kept "records" for GWG's.

Every single stat has a record. If you can quantify it, there is a record.

 

[MR4]

Terrible Hyman giveaway to stop Matthews from tying the record in the last minute of the 3rd

 

[Measles]

McDavid has played 300 more minutes than Matthews this season. I wonder if that might have an impact on their raw point totals. Don't know why you guys are so militant about overstating the gap.

Are we gonna penalize Doughty because he plays 30 minutes a night? Karlsson? Or do they get credit for being able to play at such a high level for so many minutes a night?

 

[TheDoldrums]

Are we gonna penalize Doughty because he plays 30 minutes a night? Karlsson? Or do they get credit for being able to play at such a high level for so many minutes a night?

I don't think I'm penalizing anyone. I've repeatedly said McDavid is better. But when some posts just use total points to compare, and one player has played significantly more minutes, shouldn't that factor in somehow? Matthews as a rookie is already being compared to McDavid as a soph, now he has to compete in raw points while getting way less ice-time?