Prospect Info: Matthew Samoskevich (2021, #24 overall), Univ. of Michigan (NCAA)

[Gentle Man]

His contract starts immediately so he is actually joining the club.

 

[BabyBennettov]

Transactions AFTER the playoffs begins can’t be registered for that year… If I remember correctly !

 

[GermanPanther]

We will see him in the Invitation Sessions, after the Season to close out the Season and get an early sight on the Player or latest we see him, in the prospect Tournament in September.

He showed talent, now he his to adjust and develop.

and about the Contract Question watch this, looks like we willed to lose a Year of his Contract to give him early PO expierence in Adult Games. For me the right decision. He gets an impression what await him and what he has to work on. Small advance fast Building up Body is the wrong Way, ask Ekblad looseing Speed and Agility.
Mackie Samoskevich Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[Laus723]

Wait is he going to play? Guess we won’t know till tomorrow, just wonder who he’d slot in for.

 

[violaswallet]

Wait is he going to play? Guess we won’t know till tomorrow, just wonder who he’d slot in for.

No, he won't. Will be a black ace

If there is a top 6 injury, will be between him Deni and Hepo I guess

 

[Laus723]

No, he won't. Will be a black ace

If there is a top 6 injury, will be between him Deni and Hepo I guess

Makes the most sense, guess it would depend on who looks the best in practice.

 

[BabyBennettov]

As I’ve just said a couple of posts before…

I think the whole scenario with the ATO and then the ELC was for the Panthers to not burn a year of his entry-level contract !

Signing as late as Samoskevich did means he isn’t eligible for playoffs IMO.

He won’t be black ace, he may get around the team, but he can’t be in that group if I got the rules right. He isn’t eligible.

 

[RCGP2]

As I’ve just said a couple of posts before…

I think the whole scenario with the ATO and then the ELC was for the Panthers to not burn a year of his entry-level contract !

Signing as late as Samoskevich did means he isn’t eligible for playoffs IMO.

He won’t be black ace, he may get around the team, but he can’t be in that group if I got the rules right. He isn’t eligible.

He's eligible because he was on the reserve list at the deadline, same reason Knies was eligible for the leafs.

 

[BabyBennettov]

He's eligible because he was on the reserve list at the deadline, same reason Knies was eligible for the leafs.

Everything single player we draft is on our reserve-list… Reserve-list is the amount of players you have in your organisation… Signed or not (only drafted), number can go up to 90 !

But you’re right, it seems he is able to join our team for this run… I don’t get the whole ATO thing then… Really strange way of handling that business by Zito ! He must know something we don’t.

 

[Chaos2k7]

Everything single player we draft is on our reserve-list… Reserve-list is the amount of players you have in your organisation… Signed or not (only drafted), number can go up to 90 !

But you’re right, it seems he is able to join our team for this run… I don’t get the whole ATO thing then… Really strange way of handling that business by Zito ! He must know something we don’t.

That's why I said I thought Samo was testing the waters to see if he was ready to make the jump. Or maybe it was a roster issue in Charlotte, dunno.

Either way makes no difference now.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

@mouser you mind helping us out with the Samo contract?

1) Seems to be a 3 year deal so it burns one year with no slide?
2) In your opinion, what are benefits of doing this?

You always seem to know CBA and contract stuff more than most on HF.

Thanks in advance.

 

[mouser]

@mouser you mind helping us out with the Samo contract?

1) Seems to be a 3 year deal so it burns one year with no slide?
2) In your opinion, what are benefits of doing this?

You always seem to know CBA and contract stuff more than most on HF.

Thanks in advance.

Mackie is considered a age 20 signing, so his contract is not eligible to slide. The first year (2022-23) will thus burn.

Motivation for the player is to burn the year off the ELC, getting one year closer to their next contract.

Motivation for the team is if they think they might actually use him in the playoffs this season, or they don't really care about burning the ELC year.


The downside to burning a year rarely comes down to the ELC expiring earlier. If there is a negative it's usually burning that season of waiver exemption. For example Samo will be waiver exempt for 3 seasons 2022-23, 2023-24, 2024-25. Whereas if the contract started next year he'd be waiver exempt through 2025-26. (or 160 NHL games in either case)

 

[BabyBennettov]

Mackie is considered a age 20 signing, so his contract is not eligible to slide. The first year (2022-23) will thus burn.

Motivation for the player is to burn the year off the ELC, getting one year closer to their next contract.

Motivation for the team is if they think they might actually use him in the playoffs this season, or they don't really care about burning the ELC year.


The downside to burning a year rarely comes down to the ELC expiring earlier. If there is a negative it's usually burning that season of waiver exemption. For example Samo will be waiver exempt for 3 seasons 2022-23, 2023-24, 2024-25. Whereas if the contract started next year he'd be waiver exempt through 2025-26. (or 160 NHL games in either case)

Thank you a lot for those details but situation is a little bit different… Or I mean… It’s not signing his deal to got us wondering…

The kid signed only an ATO out of college to finish the year with the Checkers Charlotte, and now that their season is done, he signed his ELC !

It is weird timing and weird process IMO. Have any idea why they did it like that ? Maybe it was a situation with the salary-cap and our pro-roster ?

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Mackie is considered a age 20 signing, so his contract is not eligible to slide. The first year (2022-23) will thus burn.

Motivation for the player is to burn the year off the ELC, getting one year closer to their next contract.

Motivation for the team is if they think they might actually use him in the playoffs this season, or they don't really care about burning the ELC year.


The downside to burning a year rarely comes down to the ELC expiring earlier. If there is a negative it's usually burning that season of waiver exemption. For example Samo will be waiver exempt for 3 seasons 2022-23, 2023-24, 2024-25. Whereas if the contract started next year he'd be waiver exempt through 2025-26. (or 160 NHL games in either case)

Appreciate the insight as always!!

 

[violaswallet]

Mackie is considered a age 20 signing, so his contract is not eligible to slide. The first year (2022-23) will thus burn.

Motivation for the player is to burn the year off the ELC, getting one year closer to their next contract.

Motivation for the team is if they think they might actually use him in the playoffs this season, or they don't really care about burning the ELC year.


The downside to burning a year rarely comes down to the ELC expiring earlier. If there is a negative it's usually burning that season of waiver exemption. For example Samo will be waiver exempt for 3 seasons 2022-23, 2023-24, 2024-25. Whereas if the contract started next year he'd be waiver exempt through 2025-26. (or 160 NHL games in either case)

Amazing: a follow up question.

Can a player that signs an ATO return to the NCAA?

That's why I said I thought Samo was testing the waters to see if he was ready to make the jump. Or maybe it was a roster issue in Charlotte, dunno.

Either way makes no difference now.

The only thing I can think of is that ATOs can play in the AHL playoffs and NHL guys can't

 

[mouser]

Thank you a lot for those details but situation is a little bit different… Or I mean… It’s not signing his deal to got us wondering…

The kid signed only an ATO out of college to finish the year with the Checkers Charlotte, and now that their season is done, he signed his ELC !

It is weird timing and weird process IMO. Have any idea why they did it like that ? Maybe it was a situation with the salary-cap and our pro-roster ?

If Samo had signed a NHL contract immediately he would not have been eligible to play in the AHL this season. Signing after the deadline would mean he was ineligible to be loaned anywhere.

Doing it this way allowed him to play in the AHL and burn the contract year.

 

[mouser]

Amazing: a follow up question.

Can a player that signs an ATO return to the NCAA?

Im not certain, but I don’t recall a NCAA player signing a ATO and later returning to college.

 

[Great8Cam]

He's eligible because he was on the reserve list at the deadline, same reason Knies was eligible for the leafs.

That’s what I thought with Knies
Douche a roo Leaves fans complaining about us with Samo when they did the same exact thing.AND Knies actually played in P.O. games!!!

 

[violaswallet]

Im not certain, but I don’t recall a NCAA player signing a ATO and later returning to college.

My sense is no: the AHL per diem likely would make him a professional under NCAA rules but not certain as well