Dreger: Matt Duchene Mega-thread:Habs, NSH, NYI, OTT inquired - Part III

[Goulet17]

Dal Colle is a forward.

Correct, typing too fast.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I prefer him keeping Duchene and Landeskog if it's to refuse offers that resemble the offer Washington made to get Shattenkirk.

To be fair Washington is the biggest contender in the league right now and their window won't be open too much longer. They are going all in this year and that trade I think really wasn't all that bad for them, I think it was great for them.

 

[islesfan3913]

I love how it's turned into "we need defense" seemingly to "we need Barzal more than anything else". If it's Hamonic, Nelson, Dal Colle and a 1st, that fills a need and then some. Top four defenseman, a top six scoring forward, another potential top six scoring forward, and a middle round 1st round pick.

 

[AvsGuy]

Well the Avalanche fans on hfboards have spoken I guess, good thing Sakic needs your permission before making any trade.

 

[GarfSnowed]

Correct, typing too fast.

All good, but you're right the expansion draft makes trading a lot harder.

 

[Ice Crusher]

I love how it's turned into "we need defense" seemingly to "we need Barzal more than anything else". If it's Hamonic, Nelson, Dal Colle and a 1st, that fills a need and then some. Top four defenseman, a top six scoring forward, another potential top six scoring forward, and a middle round 1st round pick.

Problem we have with this is we don't need quantity but quality for Duchene. No disrespect but lesser pieces would be more attractive to the Avs while getting a better defenseman than Hamonic. TSN already mention that Avs have no interest in Hamonic in a deal for Duchene.

 

[Goulet17]

I love how it's turned into "we need defense" seemingly to "we need Barzal more than anything else". If it's Hamonic, Nelson, Dal Colle and a 1st, that fills a need and then some. Top four defenseman, a top six scoring forward, another potential top six scoring forward, and a middle round 1st round pick.

The issue with Hamonic will be age, as he is older than Duchene. He also happens to play RD, which means that he likely would play behind Erik Johnson and Tyson Barrie in Colorado.

One of the reasons to justify trading Duchene would be to re-set the age of its core players to something aroung 20-22. A Hamonic trade means the Avs are looking to compete for the playoffs next season, which is probably not a wise assumption.

 

[JoemAvs]

I love how it's turned into "we need defense" seemingly to "we need Barzal more than anything else". If it's Hamonic, Nelson, Dal Colle and a 1st, that fills a need and then some. Top four defenseman, a top six scoring forward, another potential top six scoring forward, and a middle round 1st round pick.

No Avs still need defense first and foremost. But Barzal is the most interesting piece from the Isles because you don't have the high quality young D we would want to offer.

So Barzal is the most interesting piece.

Which is why a deal with Isles does not make much sense from the start for the Avs which is the whole problem...

 

[tucker3434]

I love how it's turned into "we need defense" seemingly to "we need Barzal more than anything else". If it's Hamonic, Nelson, Dal Colle and a 1st, that fills a need and then some. Top four defenseman, a top six scoring forward, another potential top six scoring forward, and a middle round 1st round pick.

It's because if the trade doesn't fill the obvious hole we have at LD, we at least want an exciting prospect back. That trade gives us another player to protect and a right side of EJ, Hamonic, and Barrie with Zadorov as really our only hope on the left side. It isn't ideal.

 

[CodeE]

No Avs still need defense first and foremost. But Barzal is the most interesting piece from the Isles because you don't have the high quality young D we would want to offer.

So Barzal is the most interesting piece.

Which is why a deal with Isles does not make much sense from the start for the Avs which is the whole problem...

It's gonna be cute if the deal goes down without adhering to your exact specifications of "nothing except your top pieces meets the high standards I set for my 14-40-3 team".

Can only imagine the 180 you'll do on guys like Dal Colle and how you wanted him all along

 

[GTislanders]

Whatever. Isles have the best package but in fantasy land with skittles and rainbows perhaps a team will gut their entire franchise for a -19 player who cant seem to do anything right this year.

 

[Ice Crusher]

It's gonna be cute if the deal goes down without adhering to your exact specifications of "nothing except your top pieces meets the high standards I set for my 14-40-3 team".

Can only imagine the 180 you'll do on guys like Dal Colle and how you wanted him all along

You can quote me any time you want but I want no part of Dal Colle in any Duchene deal unless he is there as an add-on.

 

[GTislanders]

It's gonna be cute if the deal goes down without adhering to your exact specifications of "nothing except your top pieces meets the high standards I set for my 14-40-3 team".

Can only imagine the 180 you'll do on guys like Dal Colle and how you wanted him all along

Its ridiculous. He thinks he has a clue what hes talking about but he doesnt.

 

[The Abusement Park]

It's gonna be cute if the deal goes down without adhering to your exact specifications of "nothing except your top pieces meets the high standards I set for my 14-40-3 team".

Can only imagine the 180 you'll do on guys like Dal Colle and how you wanted him all along

I can say the same thing about Duchene, once you get to watch him on a consistent basis you'll see how good he is.

 

[Ice Crusher]

I can say the same thing about Duchene, once you get to watch him on a consistent basis you'll see how good he is.

Pretty much this. Buffalo fans know exactly know what they have in ROR now and he was an overrated 3rd liner before the trade.

 

[returnofthemack29]

Again the price for Duchene, according to Bob McKenzie, is:

“If it’s three high-end pieces, we’re talking about a player that’s established in the NHL already – between 20-24 years of age – as well as a first-round pick, as well as a top prospect.

“If the young NHL player isn’t established, if it’s all prospects, then the price goes up to those four high-end pieces.”

So...Pulock+Barzal+1st+Sorokin is probably close to the asking price.

 

[disles1]

Go big or go home.....


NYI
Duchene, M
Landeskog, G


COL
Nelson, B
Barzal, M
Pulock, R
Dal Colle, M
Hickey, T
2017 1st round pick (NYI)
2019 1st round pick (NYI)
Linus Soderstrom G

 

[returnofthemack29]

Go big or go home.....


NYI
Duchene, M
Landeskog, G


COL
Nelson, B
Barzal, M
Pulock, R
Dal Colle, M
Hickey, T
2017 1st round pick (NYI)
2019 1st round pick (NYI)
Linus Soderstrom G

Go home...

 

[AvsGuy]

Whatever. Isles have the best package but in fantasy land with skittles and rainbows perhaps a team will gut their entire franchise for a -19 player who cant seem to do anything right this year.

You're still ignoring every point I made on the last page. What -19 player are you referring to?

It's gonna be cute if the deal goes down without adhering to your exact specifications of "nothing except your top pieces meets the high standards I set for my 14-40-3 team".

Can only imagine the 180 you'll do on guys like Dal Colle and how you wanted him all along

A guy drafted 5th overall 3 years ago who's running up 29 points in 53 AHL games this year? Lol there will be no 180, and there will probably be no NHL for him. He's all yours.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Go big or go home.....


NYI
Duchene, M
Landeskog, G


COL
Nelson, B
Barzal, M
Pulock, R
Dal Colle, M
Hickey, T
2017 1st round pick (NYI)
2019 1st round pick (NYI)
Linus Soderstrom G

Wow.... That's like bad. Like really really bad.

 

[tucker3434]

It's gonna be cute if the deal goes down without adhering to your exact specifications of "nothing except your top pieces meets the high standards I set for my 14-40-3 team".

Can only imagine the 180 you'll do on guys like Dal Colle and how you wanted him all along

Glass houses, isles fans...

 

[DriftEasy]

Again the price for Duchene, according to Bob McKenzie, is:



So...Pulock+Barzal+1st+Sorokin is probably close to the asking price.

If Garth offers that I'm getting out the pitchforks. That's ridiculous for a guy who would be #2C.

Has there ever been a trade where a team has offered that much for a guy who would be their #2C? Hell I'm having trouble thinking of a trade where a team has given up 3 top, top prospects. Let alone added a first to that.

 

[CodeE]

I can say the same thing about Duchene, once you get to watch him on a consistent basis you'll see how good he is.

Difference is that I want Duchene on my hockey team. Not at a ridiculous "give me every top asset in your organization I want all of them" price but at a fair price that helps the depth of the Avs while giving the Isles a strong #2 center to play behind Tavares.

I'm not consistently dismissing your team's assets and saying they don't meet my standards, because if a deal does get worked out I'd look quite foolish for not getting the "skittles and rainbows gut your team" return I was anticipating. It's one thing to aim high, it's another thing to aim high and then crap on anything and everything below it.

But hey, Oilers fans seemed to have their opinions on Griffin Reinhart change real quick before and after he was traded to them. Last week I saw an Oiler fan say they still believe Reinhart can develop into a top #3 in the NHL.

 

[Riseonfire]

Yeah, some Isles fans making us look bad here.

Like I said before, Isles untouchables are Tavares, Leddy and Barzal. If colorado won't take a combo of the rest, then there is no match.

I'd offer Hamonic/Pulock, MDC/Ho-Sang and a 1st as the offer.

 

[islesfan3913]

Again the price for Duchene, according to Bob McKenzie, is:



So...Pulock+Barzal+1st+Sorokin is probably close to the asking price.

Good luck with that