Ok, because Carle was 17th in the league last year in on-ice GF rate in 5v5 Close among defenseman with 750 minutes played, and 29th in GF%. You might note that no current Flyers defenseman appears among the Top 42 (don't know why it cuts off there, I'm relatively new to this site). And since it's 5v5 Close, these are tough minutes. None of these garbage time goals where someone scores in a 5-1 game.
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...e&minutes=750&type=goal&sort=F20&sortdir=DESC
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...e&minutes=750&type=goal&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC
(They do use 20 minute intervals, but it's a per-rate so it's not skewed).
And now you've narrowed it down to a set, very slim parameter. That fails to explain why, in general, the team scored less goals with Carle on the ice. We know this offense was very good at scoring goals when tied or down. We were tied/down very often thanks to the suspect goaltending and defensive play. Yet despite that, our forwards had a very strong season. Therefore, with a lot of goals being scored against and a lot of goals being scored for, it makes sense that Carle gets a boost there. It's also pretty hard to believe that Timonen isn't on that list, since he was also out there a lot. His injuries must have sliced his ice time and dropped him below the 750 threshold. As we know, Carle was out there more than usual because injuries necessitated it. Add the fact that a lot of our games were close/involved comebacks because of goaltending, yet our forwards were great, and it takes some of the shine off of that stat. The fact remains that in overall play, the team scored less with Carle on the ice than it did with other defensemen...including his partners.
Edit: Also, I don't like using these sorts of stats to compare players across teams. I think they're fantastic for seeing how players stack up on their own teams, but comparing across the board doesn't work well because they fail to account for difference between teams. It's not like all these defenseman have the same coach, teammates, and goalie.
Edit: And now I know how that site works. Here it is for the Flyers:
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...goals&teamid=22&pos=defense&minutes=50&disp=1
Coburn is close. Most Flyers surpass him, notably Mez and Timonen who had ice time cut thanks to injury.
Yes, you're biased. If you're pointing to small variations in an obscure stat as proof of a player is useless, it's clear that you're out to justify a preconceived opinion.
And yes, the stat is stupid. You can look at ice time and point production rather than a glorified +/- that doesn't account for tons of variables like everyone else does.
Wrong. I was once a Carle fan and supporter. As time went by though, his constant disappointing play, combined with the fact that all the stats indicated he actually wasn't as good as people claimed, changed my mind. I started out with the opposite mindset, actually.
If you bothered to read any of my posts, you'd find that I attempt to justify why the stats indicate that he's actually not all that great on offense by analyzing his actual play. I account for tons of variables.