Confirmed with Link: Markov Re-signs 5.75m/3 years

Cole Caulifield

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Surprised markov wasn't bullish about having a full NTC at his age. Nice of him to let that go.

If anything habs were nice to Markov giving him 3 year deals when he was not even insurable anymore a few years ago, and patiently waiting for him to recover.

Just like they were nice to Souray too.

I think, at some point, you gotta give back a little. Giving up the NTC while getting everything else is not much giving IMO.

EDIT: just read it's a full NTC first year, and limited NTC for next 2. So he really isn't giving up much. Not that I care... this whole thing was a no brainer anyway.
 
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If anything habs were nice to Markov giving him 3 year deals when he was not even insurable anymore a few years ago, and patiently waiting for him to recover.

Just like they were nice to Souray too.

I think, at some point, you gotta give back a little. Giving up the NTC while getting everything else is not much giving IMO.

EDIT: just read it's a full NTC first year, and limited NTC for next 2. So he really isn't giving up much. Not that I care... this whole thing was a no brainer anyway.

Markov had all the leverage. He could have asked for more.
 

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Surprised markov wasn't bullish about having a full NTC at his age. Nice of him to let that go.

Honestly I think that's huge. It takes a lot of the risk out of the 3rd year, teams will pick up a PP specialist for 1 year even if he's overpaid by that point.
 

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Great deal. This isn't 2004 anymore. A good puck mover/PP quarterback goes for around 6M or more.

I just hope that Therrien will manage him a little better.
 

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Yeah, I am surprised that Markov is even agreeing to a limited NTC, and not NTC or NMC.

It was probably one of the concessions for going with 3 years. Limited NTC and lower salary in year 3 gives MB options if Markov has to be moved.
 

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It was probably one of the concessions for going with 3 years. Limited NTC and lower salary in year 3 gives MB options if Markov has to be moved.

I don't think Markov is all that worried about being traded. I feel it's become such a habit in the NHL, to the point where people are surprised when a NTC isn't involved.
I'm sure Markov is confident he'll retire here. If we move him, I'm sure it would be with his consent (even if he had a NTC) and on a contender for him to win a cup. He would never get traded to the NYI.
 

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Markov had all the leverage. He could have asked for more.

Oh I agree. But on a moral standpoint, Markov didn't concede much of anything and I think he could have given back to the habs a little bit considering how we stuck by him when he was a huge gigantic risk on 1 leg.

Also, while he had the leverage, it's a poorly kept secret that Markov is a guy who is a bit aloof, who can barely speak English, and who likely doesn't want to start over with another team. I think we could probably have played hardball and gotten him to sign anyway. I doubt he would have left if we had put a 2 years 12M deal on the table. But that's speculation on my part.
 

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Oh I agree. But on a moral standpoint, Markov didn't concede much of anything and I think he could have given back to the habs a little bit considering how we stuck by him when he was a huge gigantic risk on 1 leg.

Also, while he had the leverage, it's a poorly kept secret that Markov is a guy who is a bit aloof, who can barely speak English, and who likely doesn't want to start over with another team. I think we could probably have played hardball and gotten him to sign anyway. I doubt he would have left if we had put a 2 years 12M deal on the table. But that's speculation on my part.
Teams would have been able to negotiate with Markov starting tomorrow. Agreeing to 2y at 12M means leaving 5.25M off the table. That's a lot, and if he says no only to sign elsewhere, well you just made your D corps much weaker and it was already pretty weak to begin with. There's also no better option on the open market.

The 5.75M hit isn't big, it isn't long, it doesn't prevent us from doing anything.
Compare him to others around the league that's his age, it's a good deal.
Even if he gets slower over the next few years, he's not going to lose his understanding for the game or his puck moving skills on the PP. He will be great for the up and comers.
You also have a player that will have spent his entire career here, going through some of the worst years in franchise history.

Certainly would have been a safer bet had he gotten 2 years, but I think it's entirely normal he got 3. Gill got 2 years here at 34. He got 2 years in Nashville at 37. Streit got 4years at 36 in Philly. 3 years for Markov isn't surprising.
 

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Gotta love a guy that wants to stay...

Dave Stubbs ‏@Dave_Stubbs · 2m
#Habs Markov: "My goal, my dream, was to stay with Montreal. As July 1 came closer, I was nervous more and more. Now, I'm very relieved"
 

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Markov got very close to what he wanted. Apparently his bargaining position was much stronger than what most of us imagined. I hope he has good seasons ahead of him.
 

Cole Caulifield

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Teams would have been able to negotiate with Markov starting tomorrow. Agreeing to 2y at 12M means leaving 5.25M off the table. That's a lot, and if he says no only to sign elsewhere, well you just made your D corps much weaker and it was already pretty weak to begin with. There's also no better option on the open market.

The 5.75M hit isn't big, it isn't long, it doesn't prevent us from doing anything.
Compare him to others around the league that's his age, it's a good deal.
Even if he gets slower over the next few years, he's not going to lose his understanding for the game or his puck moving skills on the PP. He will be great for the up and comers.
You also have a player that will have spent his entire career here, going through some of the worst years in franchise history.

Certainly would have been a safer bet had he gotten 2 years, but I think it's entirely normal he got 3. Gill got 2 years here at 34. He got 2 years in Nashville at 37. Streit got 4years at 36 in Philly. 3 years for Markov isn't surprising.

That's not true. He could have made that money by signing another deal in year 3. He wasn't leaving anything on the table. The 3rd year is only security.

Also, you seem to think I have something against this deal, I don't. Look, this is not a huge sticking point for me so I don't want to argue it further. I just take exception with the thought that Markov has been kind to us. He's exercised his leverage and gotten pretty much everything he wanted. I guess it could have been worse but it could also have been better.

For example, Lidstrom signed a 1 year deal with the wings. Markov could have done it for us too. Lidstrom didn't owe the wings any more than Markov, if anything Markov owes us more for sticking with him and giving him sweet deals and assuming all the risk that his knee would hold a few years ago. That's all I'm saying.
 

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That's not true. He could have made that money by signing another deal in year 3. He wasn't leaving anything on the table. The 3rd year is only security.

Also, you seem to think I have something against this deal, I don't. Look, this is not a huge sticking point for me so I don't want to argue it further. I just take exception with the thought that Markov has been kind to us. He's exercised his leverage and gotten pretty much everything he wanted. I guess it could have been worse but it could also have been better.

For example, Lidstrom signed a 1 year deal with the wings. Markov could have done it for us too. Lidstrom didn't owe the wings any more than Markov, if anything Markov owes us more for sticking with him and giving him sweet deals and assuming all the risk that his knee would hold a few years ago. That's all I'm saying.

Lidstrom signed 1 year deals because he was uncertain how many years he wanted to play the game. Markov knows he wants to play at least 3 more years.
 

Monctonscout

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That's not true. He could have made that money by signing another deal in year 3. He wasn't leaving anything on the table. The 3rd year is only security.

Also, you seem to think I have something against this deal, I don't. Look, this is not a huge sticking point for me so I don't want to argue it further. I just take exception with the thought that Markov has been kind to us. He's exercised his leverage and gotten pretty much everything he wanted. I guess it could have been worse but it could also have been better.

For example, Lidstrom signed a 1 year deal with the wings. Markov could have done it for us too. Lidstrom didn't owe the wings any more than Markov, if anything Markov owes us more for sticking with him and giving him sweet deals and assuming all the risk that his knee would hold a few years ago. That's all I'm saying.

Lidstrom only signed 1 year deals at like 40 and 41 I believe...

http://www.capgeek.com/player/298
 

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That's not true. He could have made that money by signing another deal in year 3. He wasn't leaving anything on the table. The 3rd year is only security.

Also, you seem to think I have something against this deal, I don't. Look, this is not a huge sticking point for me so I don't want to argue it further. I just take exception with the thought that Markov has been kind to us. He's exercised his leverage and gotten pretty much everything he wanted. I guess it could have been worse but it could also have been better.

For example, Lidstrom signed a 1 year deal with the wings. Markov could have done it for us too. Lidstrom didn't owe the wings any more than Markov, if anything Markov owes us more for sticking with him and giving him sweet deals and assuming all the risk that his knee would hold a few years ago. That's all I'm saying.

Well that's it, he would have left that 3rd year of security off the table.
But I agree, I don't think he's been overly kind. He could have probably gotten a bit more off open market, but not enough to compensate the annoyance of relocation. Hamrlik said it after his contract with us, once you get a certain age, after you've already made plenty of cash, relocation is just a b---h. Gotta meet new people, get used to a new city, find a new place, lose friends, deal with all the paper work, it's a pain in the ass.
So I agree, Ì think this deal is a very good one for Markov, more so than for us.

I don't disagree with Lidstrom, but his one year deals started at 40. However he was on 2 year deals ever since the cap era started, but for a lot more cash though. It was also his decisions. He didn't do this to help Detroit.
 

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That's not true. He could have made that money by signing another deal in year 3. He wasn't leaving anything on the table. The 3rd year is only security.

Also, you seem to think I have something against this deal, I don't. Look, this is not a huge sticking point for me so I don't want to argue it further. I just take exception with the thought that Markov has been kind to us. He's exercised his leverage and gotten pretty much everything he wanted. I guess it could have been worse but it could also have been better.

For example, Lidstrom signed a 1 year deal with the wings. Markov could have done it for us too. Lidstrom didn't owe the wings any more than Markov, if anything Markov owes us more for sticking with him and giving him sweet deals and assuming all the risk that his knee would hold a few years ago. That's all I'm saying.

This deal was a no brainer for mb.
 

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I've been tempted to comment on your avatar as well.

I was lucky enough to see Loma Prieta open up for Converge a few years ago. Good show!

I was there too! There weren't too many people for LP, but I watched Converge from the balcony and it was absolute madness. I saw loma prieta in a basement here last year and that was the most intense show I've been too. People knocked down a support beam, crashed into the band, it was nuts.
 

rockjngo

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The game is faster every year. Markov will be like Vanek against the rangers. Slow as a turtle
 

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