Mark Scheifele vs Auston Matthews

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Scheifele, need a player that shows up in the playoffs.

like his 0 goal, 1 assist performance in 2015?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Scheifele's run this year is what you hope Matthews can develop into.
Added to the fact that Matthews will be making at least $4 million dollars more next year.
You take the guy who has delivered, doesn't stop improving, and is on the best contract in the league.

Matthews will be on his ELC next year

 

[Peggy]

it does count as being a ppg player because it is ppg. also he would have reached that if he was healthy

you can't make that assumption
stop giving the players the benfit of the doubt without proving it

had to take over 2 and a half seasons for paying to stop doubting scheifele. don't see why it should work for a player who's never touched 70 points in a season yet

 

[rent free]

you can't make that assumption
stop giving the players the benfit of the doubt without proving it

had to take over 2 and a half seasons for paying to stop doubting scheifele. don't see why it should work for a player who's never touched 70 points in a season yet

it should work because matthews in an elite player and was progressing nicely

 

[Peggy]

it should work because matthews in an elite player and was progressing nicely

well we'll see next year. so far he hasn't accomplished more than 69 points in a season and only scored 2 points in his 2nd playoff series

 

[Atoyot]

Contract shifts this to Scheif, though Matthews will likely end up being the better player.

 

[rent free]

well we'll see next year. so far he hasn't accomplished more than 69 points in a season and only scored 2 points in his 2nd playoff series

he'll get 70 for sure if he stays healthy. in the playoffs, scoring is much lower and he was up against the best defensive player in hockey

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

like his 0 goal, 1 assist performance in 2015?

LOL at using playoffs from.....three years ago.

You're aware that he has 16 points in 12 games this year right?

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Matthews. They are pretty close rn, so considering the future this is definitely Matthews.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

LOL at using playoffs from.....three years ago.

You're aware that he has 16 points in 12 games this year right?

It's almost like the point is that one playoff series doesn't define a career. Really not that difficult

 

[Peggy]

It's almost like the point is that one playoff series doesn't define a career. Really not that difficult

well usually you go forwards, not backwards
context matters. you can't apply one thing with another just because

 

[almostawake]

This really will end up coming down to what Matthews's next contract will look like.

I'm pretty certain Matthews will end up being a slightly better center than Scheifele.

But if the difference between Scheifele and Matthews's ends up being around 4M or more, you have to think of it this way:

Is a team running Matthews and a 1M 3rd line center more likely to win the Stanley Cup than Scheifele and a 5M 3rd line center?

To me the answer is quite clear.

 

[rent free]

This really will end up coming down to what Matthews's next contract will look like.

I'm pretty certain Matthews will end up being a slightly better center than Scheifele.

But if the difference between Scheifele and Matthews's ends up being around 4M or more, you have to think of it this way:

Is a team running Matthews and a 1M 3rd line center more likely to win the Stanley Cup than Scheifele and a 5M 3rd line center?

To me the answer is quite clear.

who the hell pays a 3rd liner 5 million?

 

[almostawake]

who the hell pays a 3rd liner 5 million?

Just about every SC winning team has a 3rd line center that is either making in that neighbourhood, or gets a contract close to that very soon after winning the SC.

Can say something similar for most of the teams left in the playoffs.

 

[GlitchMarner]

Auston Matthews isn't a gamble.

People are overreacting so much to tiny sample sizes just because it's the playoffs.

MAFFEWS IZ CHALKER!

 

[The Podium]

Matthews is slightly worse than Scheif is as a player at the moment. But he is also 5 years younger. Contract is up in the air, Matthews is still on his ELC and we cant compare him what Schief is signed to until Matthews signs his next deal. For all we know Matthews decides he is worth 8.5 mill.

who the hell pays a 3rd liner 5 million?

To be fair the Leafs had Kadri (4.5 mill) and Bozak (4.2 mill) as their middle 6 C

 

[rent free]

Matthews is slightly worse than Scheif is as a player at the moment. But he is also 5 years younger. Contract is up in the air, Matthews is still on his ELC and we cant compare him what Schief is signed to until Matthews signs his next deal. For all we know Matthews decides he is worth 8.5 mill.



To be fair the Leafs had Kadri (4.5 mill) and Bozak (4.2 mill) as their middle 6 C

fair indeed

 

[heretik27]

Scheifele is better currently and his contract is a steal. Matthews will get better, and most probably expect him to make more money on his first contract than Scheifele. It's pretty tough to predict and that's all the point of this thread is. Scheifele's drive to improve doesn't stop on the ice, he lives and breathes the game every minute of his life. I just don't think he's the kind of guy that'll ever stop getting better until his body starts slowing down. I think people expect Matthews to be the better player based on draft acumen, but Scheifele is one of those rare players who absolutely shatters expectations and keeps getting better in all areas of the ice. He didn't enter the league a star, or a player expected to become one, his drive to improve, his willingness to reach out to people like Adam Oates for personalized coaching throughout the season, even down to genetic testing to determine which foods would provide him the best advantage. There's nothing he isn't willing to do it seems to get better. A guy like that isn't done improving at the age of 25. For what it's worth Scheifele sits 11th overall in scoring since February 18, 2016 when Bryan Little was injured against Tampa having played fewer games than everyone ahead of him in points save for Malkin. His PPG puts him at 6th behind McDavid, Crosby, Malkin, Kucherov, and Marchand in that time.

When I look at these two players, I don't have a clue who ends up with the better career. They're both going to keep getting better though, no doubt about that. I just wanted to dispell any notion that Scheifele is older, thus he wouldn't improve or keep getting better the way a young stud like Matthews is expected to improve.

 

[DRW204]

Contract value, which is a pretty big nugget will 99% likely favor Scheifele. I can see Matthews having seasons of 40g 85-90 pts+ by the time he's Scheifeles age though.

 

[garyturner3]

Matthews had like 63 points in 62 games

that doesn't really count as a ppg player, playing only 3/4 of a season
plus scheifele has been an mvp in the playoffs. Matthews had 2 points

so yes you hope Matthews at least becomes something like scheifele

Ya you're right. Let's completely ignore everything we've seen from Matthews up to this point and form a new opinion on one poor 7 game series. Good plan.

 

[Section88]

Scheif is an undeniable superstar without a doubt. But so is Matthews already.....at 20. You know what Scheifele was doing in his draft+2 year? Playing in the OHL against teenagers. Obviously it's not a guarantee, but the odds heavily favor Matthews reaching a whole different level than Scheifele in the near future.

they certainly do not.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

LOL at using playoffs from.....three years ago.

You're aware that he has 16 points in 12 games this year right?

As a 25 year old? Right?

Matthews just finished his 2nd season and is 20...

Way to prove a point, the superstar in his prime had more points than the up and coming player ...

How many playoff points did he have last year?

 

[garyturner3]

they certainly do not.

To state otherwise is the equivalent of saying Matthews has peaked.....at 20. Most people would agree they're pretty similar talents today. It's ok to prefer one over the other, but it's pretty undeniable that they're very close. So of course the odds are Matthews keeps improving and reaches another level than he's currently at. That's what young players typically do, especially ones as highly touted as Matthews. Again, not guaranteed but highly probable.

 

[Section88]

To state otherwise is the equivalent of saying Matthews has peaked.....at 20. Most people would agree they're pretty similar talents today. It's ok to prefer one over the other, but it's pretty undeniable that they're very close. So of course the odds are Matthews keeps improving and reaches another level than he's currently at. That's what young players typically do, especially ones as highly touted as Matthews. Again, not guaranteed but highly probable.

Matthews will definitely improve. But to say the odds heavily favor matthews moving to a competely different level in the near future? Cant we allow matthews to atleast match Scheifele in points in a season before we go spreading non sense. They are at a similar level but Scheifele is better right now and chances are matthews wont be on a "whole different level" for atleast 2 or 3 years

 

[garyturner3]

Matthews will definitely improve. But to say the odds heavily favor matthews moving to a competely different level in the near future? Cant we allow matthews to atleast match Scheifele in points in a season before we go spreading non sense. They are at a similar level but Scheifele is better right now and chances are matthews wont be on a "whole different level" for atleast 2 or 3 years

Just because you subscribe to the ridiculous notion that pace means nothing doesn't make it true. He didn't just play at a ppg pace for a small 15 game sample size or something like that. Matthews HAS already shown he can match scheifele for points in a season and has shown to be a much better goal scorer already. Goals have always and will also be more valuable than assists. To think he wouldn't of continued at his ppg pace for the 20 games he missed is naive. Especially when you factor in he did that while battling injuries.

They're clearly as close to on par as you can get right now. One player is 20, one is 25. You don't need a lot of hockey knowledge to know where things typically trend from those ages.