Friedman: Marcus Johansson asking price

[LeafGrief]

johansson and first for jvr more likely if they do trade

Not downgrading from JVR to Johansson for a super-late first lol, ESPECIALLY if Johansson gets overpaid.

 

[hockeykicker]

Not downgrading from JVR to Johansson for a super-late first lol, ESPECIALLY if Johansson gets overpaid.

But the difference between jvr and Mojo is not bowey

 

[Sabretooth]

Why are people surprised about this and assuming there will be a trade? Isn't this pretty much how all arbitration cases work? Team lowballs, player ask way high, they settle in the middle. Neither side expects to get their initial ask/offer...

 

[hockeykicker]

Why are people surprised about this and assuming there will be a trade? Isn't this pretty much how all arbitration cases work? Team lowballs, player ask way high, they settle in the middle. Neither side expects to get their initial ask/offer...

If mojo wins, caps won't have cap space for orlov

 

[New Leaf]

Why are people surprised about this and assuming there will be a trade? Isn't this pretty much how all arbitration cases work? Team lowballs, player ask way high, they settle in the middle. Neither side expects to get their initial ask/offer...

An arbitrator has to pick one or the other

 

[twabby]

No they don't, the arbitrator can pick anywhere in the middle.

 

[Sabretooth]

An arbitrator has to pick one or the other

wow really? I thought the arbitrator could decide on a different amount?

No they don't, the arbitrator can pick anywhere in the middle.

I was pretty sure this was the case...

 

[Avs44]

An arbitrator has to pick one or the other

That's not true, at all. The arbitrator picks the amount, the team and player simple give the framework.

 

[Tripod]

Would certainly take him in Philly if the price was right.

 

[Kolzilla]

If mojo wins, caps won't have cap space for orlov

What is the possibility the caps have a verbal agreement with Orlov in place, and are just waiting to resolve the Mojo arb?

I would guess they just haven't signed orlov so they won't lower trade value for mojo...

 

[Stephen Gionta]

I think MoJo is worth 4.0-4.25 per

 

[Riptide]

So they will meet in the middle around $4.55 million then i would assume.

Probably - which is probably what he should be getting anyway.

 

[Riptide]

Yeah, that's a 4,5 million contract. Some comparables here would be both Smiths (Reilly and Craig), Palmieri, Killorn, Nyquist, Kadri to name a few. Hard to say if it's a good deal or not. Personally, I don't like it, but Caps fans may not agree.

Most of those can't actually be used as "comparables" in arbitration as all other than Kadri's buy UFA years. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any 20g/45-50pt players who've received short enough contracts not to hit FA years.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

46 points in 74 games that's 50 points
Good defensively can play center and wing

Probably 4.4 for 1 year

 

[UncleRisto]

Why are people surprised about this and assuming there will be a trade? Isn't this pretty much how all arbitration cases work? Team lowballs, player ask way high, they settle in the middle. Neither side expects to get their initial ask/offer...

Exactly. The player ask is pretty much always set for meeting in the middle.

 

[Riptide]

An arbitrator has to pick one or the other

Not true. Just last year the arbitrator decided on 2m for Hoffman when OTT was asking for 1.75m and Hoffman was asking for 3m+.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Exactly. The player ask is pretty much always set for meeting in the middle.

Unless you are Subban and you ask for 7 and berg asks for like 3. Someyhing million.

Then you settle for 9x8

 

[angry pirate]

Hard to think that Marcus wins this. I suspect that an Arbitrator will come in much closer to Washington considering they gave Hoffman 2 Million last year after a 27 Goal 48 point season.

 

[third man in]

Yeah I'm appalled more people have no understanding of basic negotiations. I'm sure Mojo doesn't think he's worth that. The arbitrator will probably settle around 4.5

 

[mouser]

Most of those can't actually be used as "comparables" in arbitration as all other than Kadri's buy UFA years. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any 20g/45-50pt players who've received short enough contracts not to hit FA years.

So long as the contract includes RFA years it can be used as a comparable. Doesn't matter if there are UFA years in as well.

 

[Foltronic]

Except that Shaw and Killorn are not comparable with each other.

True, only one of them is a 20 goal scorer.

 

[AslanRH]

Unlikely. Caps gm said he is setting a number and isn't going higher and won't let other numbers be used to sway his thinking

Do you think then that a $4.5m ruling would then be a walk away point?

 

[vendetta]

So long as the contract includes RFA years it can be used as a comparable. Doesn't matter if there are UFA years in as well.

How is this? Ufa years r a big factor

 

[Smartguy]

5.25? Bahaha, get real MJ!

Do people not realize this happens every year? The player always asks for more then they are probably worth and at the worst if they can at least convince the arbitrator they are worth a bit they end up in the middle. Not sure why you would go to arbitration to lowball yourself, if it was fair value I'm sure that a player wouldn't get to arbitration. Business 101 get the most money you can out of it

 

[mouser]

How is this? Ufa years r a big factor

The arbitrator isn't handing out long term contracts. He focuses on what players are being paid in their RFA seasons to issue one or two year awards.

When comparable players are debated in salary arbitration the team is free to argue that such and such comparable player's salary should be viewed in the context of a longer term contract.