Management Thread | Starting with a Thud Edition

[Mr. Canucklehead]

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[valkynax]

More like starting with a whimper.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

If you can dig up the post it would be appreciated. Regardless, there's a difference between "thinking he landed a big fish" and "thinking he landed a Dman who would have been contending for the Norris the past 2 years if he was playing out east."

Like I said, what he did think was that he was getting a #1 matchup Dman. Obviously Hughes is our #1 Dman but OEL certainly played the part of matchup Dman and fared pretty well last season. Even Myers was arguably worth his salary last season alongside OEL.

Found part of it. The full interview had him positively gushing. Look at @Bourne Endeavor 's quotes to get a fuller picture of what he was thinking (or not thinking.)



The big thing for me was "every year" and him absolutely not understanding what happened in Phoenix.

 

[Vector]

Pumpkin patch-JT Miller story is a lie.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Pumpkin patch-JT Miller story is a lie.

The use of Jonathan Frakes from Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction is on point. Sometimes Canucks twitter has gold.

 

[Vector]

The use of Jonathan Frakes from Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction is on point. Sometimes Canucks twitter has gold.

Former HFBoard members making "big" is my favourite subculture.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Pumpkin patch-JT Miller story is a lie.

Well yeah, of course it was...which is why I read it and decided against posting it here. It was a 14 year old kid on Reddit looking for attention and upvotes.

Journalists should not be getting their news from these sort of accounts.

 

[rypper]

 

[gringo]

As usual Drance is right at some point this team will go on a mirage of a run and many people will start talking about a playoff push and how you “can’t break them up while they’re pushing for the playoffs”…

The management team needs to NUT up right NOW. Sure mistakes and miscalculations happened this summer and perhaps shitty offers were all that we came across but now is the time for ruthless leadership. They can make up for their shit summer right now with a cold hearted and cunning plan.

Cut the legs out now. Before a potential run. Make a trade that makes it all but impossible to compete this season. Even if we don’t get the best return. This team is rotted, someone needs to have the guts to kick the last leg out from it so we can actually start fresh.

And yeah that’s what’s fair to the fans. What’s not fair to the fans is selling a plan and not executing. What’s not fair to the fans is blowing smoke about competing for playoffs and then coming out 0 for 7.

We need action now, not talk. Blow this up!

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I remember all the comments dating back to February. "But Rutherford would have never taken the job to be bossed around."

Aquilini is still heavily involved. There's no doubting this. He feels like he built this core and got extremely attached to it. Benning was the worst GM in Canuck history but he was certainly a puppet to the owner who has completely gone off the rails since the mid-point of the Gillis era.

Aquilini hired the guys that would listen to him. The process was a total gongshow as he hired the coach before hiring any president or GM.

 

[Hit the post]

Yotes have that refuse off their books (eg., my avatar) and an extra 1st round pick for their troubles. We have OEL's contract (and cap hit) for the next several years....Garland is a VERY useful player but likely won't be whenever we MIGHT be playoff caliber (and he sure doesn't move the needle for the team right now in terms of making the team competative at least on the ice).

 

[rypper]

I remember all the comments dating back to February. "But Rutherford would have never taken the job to be bossed around."

Aquilini is still heavily involved. There's no doubting this. He feels like he built this core and got extremely attached to it. Benning was the worst GM in Canuck history but he was certainly a puppet to the owner who has completely gone off the rails since the mid-point of the Gillis era.

Aquilini hired the guys that would listen to him. The process was a total gongshow as he hired the coach before hiring any president or GM.

Was pretty wild to hear that Rutherford didn't initially know that Boudreau had a multi year contract.

 

[TruGr1t]

This isn't surprising and makes complete sense. I fully believe management would not have given Miller that contract, and the fact they caved at the last minute (making a huge jump in the rumoured offer) was due to pressure from ownership.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Was pretty wild to hear that Rutherford didn't initially know that Boudreau had a multi year contract.

It's literally the craziest thing I have ever seen. I always thought that JR had a handshake agreement with FAQ prior to the hiring and maybe JR advised FAQ to go with Boudreau. However we got confirmation that JR was totally in the dark about the contract structure and terms.

It confirms to me that Bruce Boudreau was a FAQ hire and literally put the new President and GM in a difficult spot to start with. FAQ needs to just go away and let experience and knowledge do what it can to correct this.

 

[kanucks25]

The management team needs to NUT up right NOW. Sure mistakes and miscalculations happened this summer and perhaps shitty offers were all that we came across but now is the time for ruthless leadership. They can make up for their shit summer right now with a cold hearted and cunning plan.

I imagine even with this start they feel it's too early to deviate from whatever "plan" they've put in place.

But I think the market would appreciate a management team that says "you know what, we thought this would work but it just didn't so instead of spinning our wheels and bleeding assets/value we're going to eat shit here and change course."

At least you can take some solace in knowing that management understands what went wrong and how to fix it. The way things are now it's frustrating because it feels like they are just going to do what they've been doing and it's going to lead to a whole lot of nothing.

(yes I know this would never happen)

Pretty much everything JR has said since he took the job has been spot on, however that comment about "people don't realize just how long rebuilds take" tells you that there is still a major disconnect between ownership/management and their plan vs what the fans want.

 

[Nucker101]

Now I’m worried that the upcoming 1st round pick is in play to acquire a dman.

Frankie would rather re-tool in mediocrity for eternity than have some patience

 

[iFan]

It’s clear the owners are setting the direction, it’s exactly the same as it was under Benning

 

[Jyrki21]

I remember all the comments dating back to February. "But Rutherford would have never taken the job to be bossed around."

Aquilini is still heavily involved. There's no doubting this. He feels like he built this core and got extremely attached to it. Benning was the worst GM in Canuck history but he was certainly a puppet to the owner who has completely gone off the rails since the mid-point of the Gillis era.

Aquilini hired the guys that would listen to him. The process was a total gongshow as he hired the coach before hiring any president or GM.

At the time an old dog like Rutherford was seen as safe because he wouldn't feel compelled to bend to Aquilini. In hindsight, a guy who has no need to build a legacy and is happy just to collect a paycheck... maybe that wasn't the best match with an know-nothing-know-it-all owner. Why does he need to raise a stink?

 

[Bgav]

I still laugh thinking they sat around had a meeting and at the end of it they decided giving Miller 8 years made sense

 

[valkynax]

I still laugh thinking they sat around had a meeting and at the end of it they decided giving Miller 8 years made sense

That contract aged like a turd made of shit, and it has not even started yet...

EDIT: btw, any spicy tweets from Aquaman himself?

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I still laugh thinking they sat around had a meeting and at the end of it they decided giving Miller 8 years made sense

I cannot imagine the frustration of being an AGM or analytics person within and watching them roll with the same roster and expecting different results. It's probably the very same happenings that caused Rachel Doerrie to lose her cool in the end.

"So why is a trust fund baby and real estate mogul telling us what to do?"

 

[m9]

One major thing that is concerning to me is that this is two straight regimes who don't seem to have a pulse of the dynamic in the locker room. The last group moved guys like Tanev & Toffoli who were obviously glue guys and then brought in guys who weren't a fit here. This latest group seems to be broken in some way and has been for awhile, yet the same guys keep coming back.

 

[rypper]

That contract aged like a turd made of shit, and it has not even started yet...

EDIT: btw, any spicy tweets from Aquaman himself?

He's been MIA on Twitter since giving condolences when Stan's wife passed.

But you better believe he's got a tweet on deck for when the team first wins.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

He's been MIA on Twitter since giving condolences when Stan's wife passed.

But you better believe he's got a tweet on deck for when the team first wins.

"What a game! You have to admire the focus and determination to battle through adversity! Unlike my farm workers or children."

 

[supercanuck]

The gullible part of me hopes that JR is now going to Aqua's face and saying "See! You're plan didn't work! Now let us do OUR thing!"