Management Thread. A Fist Full of Dollars: Gunslinger Final Edition, Pt IlI

[I am toxic]

And of course when what we say does happen he will come here next season and say we are done. Next year will be great this year was a write off anyway.


That’s of course not taking into account half the team will be another year older and worse (beagle, rousell,myers) and bringing back edler just means another player a year older/worse in the same top 4 position

And Horvat and Miller are both another year closer to UFA.

But look at our pipedre . . . I mean pipeline! Podz! And . . and. . . DiPietro! And Podz!

 

[kanuck87]

We'll be better only because of the likelihood of reverting back to the old Pacific Division. The three CA teams are in the throes of various rebuilds and it looks like Arizona has strip-mined their entire to bottom out under the salary cap. Six games each against those teams is almost a third of your schedule.

Unfortunately this temporary move to the all-Canadian has exposed the Canucks for what they are--a team with some good young talent but a deeply flawed roster of overpaid, underachieving veteran players. Doesn't surprise me they look poised to have a major step-back year.

None of this should be surprising if you've been reading these boards the past 3-4 years. It was being called over and over again. Every management thread is full of these predictions.

 

[Peen]

This should make everyone feel very ill. 22MM of cap space with this roster.

Could have made legitimate runs for Hall, Pietrangelo and an elite 3c in free agency.

Imagine that team..

 

[canucksfan]

And Horvat and Miller are both another year closer to UFA.

But look at our pipedre . . . I mean pipeline! Podz! And . . and. . . DiPietro! And Podz!

You forgot Lind and Gadjovich!

 

[tantalum]

None of this should be surprising if you've been reading these boards the past 3-4 years. It was being called over and over again. Every management thread is full of these predictions.

It has and more to the point I’m not sure there was ever a true step forward to take a step back from. There was primarily Vezina goaltending for 2+ seasons, being saved by the pandemic followed by Demko channeling Dryden and Tretiak for a few games.

 

[timw33]

Could have made legitimate runs for Hall, Pietrangelo and an elite 3c in free agency.

Imagine that team..

Could have picked up both of those players, at their price tags, and then picked up 3-4 very affordable depth pieces.

 

[Hollywood Burrows]

Definitely some paid shills on this site. Defending management at this point is beyond strange.

it's really not that. some people are just born to lick the boot! it's their whole personality. Picking some ridiculous clown rich person as your avatar is a dead giveaway btw.

 

[mriswith]

it's really not that. some people are just born to lick the boot! it's their whole personality. Picking some ridiculous clown rich person as your avatar is a dead giveaway btw.

Burrows was a pretty funny guy tbh, apparently loved to clown in the room, pretty rich now after his career, you might just be on to something

 

[MS]

This should make everyone feel very ill. 22MM of cap space with this roster.

Been saying this for ages.

Every team will always have a couple bad contracts so even if we'd spent $8-10 million on a couple bad deals we still should have been in a position to be chasing a Taylor Hall this summer in addition to retaining all of our own guys. Basically the 2009 Chicago offseason.

 

[DS7]

Not lookin good for ol Jimbo.

I've never seen a season where a GM's offseason mistakes come back to bite him so hard and so fast. (Shutout by marky, hatty by toffoli)

The real icing on the cake is next year we'll still be capped out despite 13ish mil falling off the books in Edler, Sutter, Pearson because we need to resign Hughes and Petey. So we may have an even worse team with the same cap hit (though I'm betting we buy out Loui in his last year)

 

[CherryToke]

Has Gord Miller apologized to Canucks fans yet?

 

[VanillaCoke]

This should make everyone feel very ill. 22MM of cap space with this roster.

Good god.

This single-handedly and definitively destroys so many pro Benning arguments once and for all, this is all that needs be reposted for the dunces in the corner.

 

[rypper]

Trams just has to spend 1 more year in Russia before he becomes a UFA.

I suspect that he will indeed play 1 more year in Russia and by the 22-23 season he will be back in the NHL and playing for a team other than the Canucks.

We had our chance to sign Trams but this management team screwed up yet again with this player.

He's done with this franchise and the peeps who think we'll get him back in Canuck colors have a 99.9% chance of disappointment.

If things go back to normal and the season starts in September/October 2022, Tryamkin will be 29. Are teams going to take a chance on him at that age with his experience? Maybe if he comes in really cheap.

I think his window to come back to the NHL is closing.

 

[VanJack]

In the pre-Pandemic world, the NHL salary cap was projected to actually go 'up' by $$3-4 million. But once the season was cancelled and then came back with no fans, the salary cap was pegged at $81.5m and the Canucks were essentially doomed.

They were forced to walk away from all of their expiring contracts; and I'm actually amazed they even found the money to bring in Schmidt and Holtby. You can look for yourself on Cap Friendly. The Canucks have more 'dead contract space' than any team in hockey.

So despite the lofty claims by Benning and the owner that the Canucks 'want to take the next step this season', the reality is closer to this being a 'transition year' despite all the negativity on these boards around that term.

 

[y2kcanucks]

In the pre-Pandemic world, the NHL salary cap was projected to actually go 'up' by $$3-4 million. But once the season was cancelled and then came back with no fans, the salary cap was pegged at $81.5m and the Canucks were essentially doomed.

They were forced to walk away from all of their expiring contracts; and I'm actually amazed they even found the money to bring in Schmidt and Holtby. You can look for yourself on Cap Friendly. The Canucks have more 'dead contract space' than any team in hockey.

So despite the lofty claims by Benning and the owner that the Canucks 'want to take the next step this season', the reality is closer to this being a 'transition year' despite all the negativity on these boards around that term.

That "transition" year is because of the bad contracts Benning signed. That's not acceptable.

 

[MS]

In the pre-Pandemic world, the NHL salary cap was projected to actually go 'up' by $$3-4 million. But once the season was cancelled and then came back with no fans, the salary cap was pegged at $81.5m and the Canucks were essentially doomed.

They were forced to walk away from all of their expiring contracts; and I'm actually amazed they even found the money to bring in Schmidt and Holtby. You can look for yourself on Cap Friendly. The Canucks have more 'dead contract space' than any team in hockey.

So despite the lofty claims by Benning and the owner that the Canucks 'want to take the next step this season', the reality is closer to this being a 'transition year' despite all the negativity on these boards around that term.

Any effects of the flat cap have been cancelled out (and then some) by the break they've caught with Ferland's career ending and his going on LTIR.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

This season in a nutshell so far

 

[Jack Burton]

If things go back to normal and the season starts in September/October 2022, Tryamkin will be 29. Are teams going to take a chance on him at that age with his experience? Maybe if he comes in really cheap.

I think his window to come back to the NHL is closing.

It's closing their's no doubt about that but when he becomes a UFA, somebody is going to give him a shot back in the NHL...their's too much there for a GM to pass on Trams as your 3rd pair anchor.

 

[4Twenty]

Any effects of the flat cap have been cancelled out (and then some) by the break they've caught with Ferland's career ending and his going on LTIR.

The cap rising would’ve just made salaries increase anyways. No way you’re seeing Toffoli at $4m if there’re is $85m to spend.

The flat cap effects every team so it’s an absolutely piss poor excuse and had the team actually rebuilt, hoarded picks/prospects, limited free agent deals to 1-2 years they actually could’ve been a team to take advantage of the flat cap.

I think that roster in that tweet is kind of unfair but I do think it’s fair to project lineups without the free agent contracts of ‘18 and ‘19.

Beagle, Roussel, Baertschi, Myers, Ferland, and Benn gives you $21m.

Yeah you still have junk like Eriksson and Sutter but you don’t have a roster full of it.

 

[y2kcanucks]

It's closing their's no doubt about that but when he becomes a UFA, somebody is going to give him a shot back in the NHL...their's too much there for a GM to pass on Trams as your 3rd pair anchor.

I really don't get all the talk about Tryamkin, or people thinking he has any value. He wasn't very good when he was here and he's been out of the NHL for years now. It isn't like he's dominating the KHL either. He's 26 right now and the only thing he has going for him is he's tall (which means absolutely nothing). People need to move on.

 

[y2kcanucks]

The cap rising would’ve just made salaries increase anyways. No way you’re seeing Toffoli at $4m if there’re is $85m to spend.

The flat cap effects every team so it’s an absolutely piss poor excuse and had the team actually rebuilt, hoarded picks/prospects, limited free agent deals to 1-2 years they actually could’ve been a team to take advantage of the flat cap.

I think that roster in that tweet is kind of unfair but I do think it’s fair to project lineups without the free agent contracts of ‘18 and ‘19.

Beagle, Roussel, Baertschi, Myers, Ferland, and Benn gives you $21m.

Yeah you still have junk like Eriksson and Sutter but you don’t have a roster full of it.

I don't think it's unfair at all. None of those players should have ever been signed or traded for. Benn and Baertschi are probably the only 2 forgivable ones.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

I really don't get all the talk about Tryamkin, or people thinking he has any value. He wasn't very good when he was here and he's been out of the NHL for years now. It isn't like he's dominating the KHL either. He's 26 right now and the only thing he has going for him is he's tall (which means absolutely nothing). People need to move on.

I think the idea with him was he'd be a #5-6 defensive specialist. I know he's fairly slow and often times looks lazy/disinterested, but he could still be used to clear the front of the net during the PK. His toolset, size, and reach could have been useful with the right coach and deployment. Not a huge loss, it's just that our defensive depth looks atrocious right now.

 

[y2kcanucks]

I think the idea with him was he'd be a #5-6 defensive specialist. I know he's fairly slow and often times looks lazy/disinterested, but he could still be used to clear the front of the net during the PK. His toolset, size, and reach could have been useful with the right coach and deployment. Not a huge loss, it's just that our defensive depth looks atrocious right now.

Sure, but I'm not going to worry about my bottom pair too much until I have a solid top 4. And right now I see a team with 2, maybe 3 top 4 defensemen (though I wouldn't be bringing back Edler unless he took a huge payout at this point).

 

[4Twenty]

I don't think it's unfair at all. None of those players should have ever been signed or traded for. Benn and Baertschi are probably the only 2 forgivable ones.

Everyone knows there were mistakes, I think being fair means you have to accept that mistakes will be made.


If the list gets to include highly criticized trade acquisition JT Miller but deletes all the bad you’re stacking the deck.

That’s all I’m not excusing the moves. Just saying that the list isn’t the fairest representation and I think elimination the 2018 moves and forward is probably fairer and shows what a different GM could’ve done had they correctly allow Benning’s contract to run out in 2018.