Makar vs Hughes

[cgf]

Watch a hockey game! Hughes might move the puck better and have slightly better hands and that’s it. Care to explain why more people have voted for Makar in these polls? Do they see what you’re seeing?

Done, now it's your turn. Watch Hughes play a couple of times and you should be able to see that he's much better with his stick against the puck, he reads the play quicker, and his positioning is better, than Cale's right now. Which makes sense, as Cale was a lot rawer when drafted & despite the great progress he's made since then, he's still not as polished as Hughes. I like Cale's defensive tools more in the long run, so do expect him to eventually become the better defender, but he simply hasn't been this season and saying that he has really only exposes how little you know about Hughes ...nevermind implying that Hughes can't defend lol

And since you seem to be having so much trouble understanding this:
I voted for Cale in each of those polls, including this one.

There's nothing wrong with preferring Cale. The issue is talking out of your ass about Hughes, to artificially prop Cale up. There's simply no need for that s***. There are legitimate reasons to prefer Makar -- which are why I voted for him and was driving his bandwagon on our board when the rest of you were still convinced that he would be the dumbest top 10 pick ever and "Barrie 2.0, if we're lucky" -- but his being better defensively right now, is just not one of them. The tape doesn't reflect that, nor do the #s, so there's no justification for claiming it to be true, this season.

 

[Mighty Makar]

Done, now it's your turn. Watch Hughes play a couple of times and you should be able to see that he's much better with his stick against the puck, he reads the play quicker, and his positioning is better, than Cale's right now. Which makes sense, as Cale was a lot rawer when drafted & despite the great progress he's made since then, he's still not as polished as Hughes. I like Cale's defensive tools more in the long run, so do expect him to eventually become the better defender, but he simply hasn't been this season and saying that he has really only exposes how little you know about Hughes ...nevermind implying that Hughes can't defend lol

And since you seem to be having so much trouble understanding this:
I voted for Cale in each of those polls, including this one.

There's nothing wrong with preferring Cale. The issue is talking out of your ass about Hughes, to artificially prop Cale up. There's simply no need for that s***. There are legitimate reasons to prefer Makar -- which are why I voted for him and was driving his bandwagon on our board when the rest of you were still convinced that he would be the dumbest top 10 pick ever and "Barrie 2.0, if we're lucky" -- but his being better defensively right now, is just not one of them. The tape doesn't reflect that, nor do the #s, so there's no justification for claiming it to be true, this season.

You voted for Makar in each of these polls ‘cause you’re a homer? Hughes might be better than Makar at a couple things, but defending isn’t one of them, lol.

 

[TheRarestDangles]

Makar is and will continue to be the better D-man. Mark my words.

 

[cgf]

You voted for Makar in each of these polls ‘cause you’re a homer? Hughes might be better than Makar at a couple things, but defending isn’t one of them, lol.

...no...I voted for Makar because he's more explosive & powerful, has a much better shot, and his skillset better fits a team that does so much of its damage in transition; while featuring MacK n Mikko on our PP so that we don't need our PPQB to do all of the creating.

The bolded is what makes you a homer btw. Hughes has been the better defender this season. You can laugh at it all you want, but that won't stop it from being true. All laughing at it does is show us that not knowing what you are talking about won't stop you from trying to act like you do

 

[Mighty Makar]

...no...I voted for Makar because he's more explosive & powerful, has a much better shot, and his skillset better fits a team that does so much of its damage in transition; while featuring MacK n Mikko on our PP so that we don't need our PPQB to do all of the creating.

The bolded is what makes you a homer btw. Hughes has been the better defender this season. You can laugh at it all you want, but that won't stop it from being true. All laughing it does is show us that not knowing what you are talking about won't stop you from trying to act like you do

Hahahahhaahahahhahahahahaha

 

[Love]

 

[cgf]

Hahahahhaahahahhahahahahaha

I say this as a fellow avs fan & a friend; you're acting really presidential right now...

 

[Mighty Makar]

I say this as a fellow avs fan & a friend; you're acting really presidential right now...

I’m a 2020 president candidate. Roddy Ricch

 

[Ace of Hades]

Lmao! Some of you ‘Nucks fans are hilarious.

The fact that your incapable to acknowledge Hughes being the better defender is the only thing hilarious here.

 

[avsfan9]

Quinn Hughes has come a long way defensively since he entered the league and might be a touch better than Makar defensively he’s still a minus player and Makar is + 10. While people say plus/ minus doesn’t matter, I think it does to some extent. Especially when these guys are playing top defensive mins on their respective teams.

 

[Mac Attack]

30 pounds of Ketamine actually...but I'm still not homering as hard as you

I don't get why such a big chunk of our fanbase is so insecure about other teams having special talents too. Do y'all not realize that we don't need to be petty homers anymore? We can be objective & still hype the s*** out of our core. We don't need to get butthurt about other teams having nice things; like we did when McDavid arrived on the prospect scene & stole all of MacK's thunder.

I prefer Cale and the explosiveness he brings to the table, but Hughes is a similarly extraordinary talent who is shiftier & more polished. It doesn't take many Vancouver games to see that.

Thank you for your good repping for Av's fans.

 

[Pitaya]

Once you reach a certain level of elite this discussion becomes redundant. It's like jordan vs kobe.

You can build around hughes or makar. They are both franchise dman.

Didnt Ghostisbehere have an amazing season?

Not saying either or will fall off but lets not go claiming franchise defenseman quite yet.

 

[Regal]

Lmao! Some of you ‘Nucks fans are hilarious.

Right, the guys saying Hughes plays no D are the sensible ones...

 

[wetcoast]

Simple. Who you taking on your team if you had a choice?

It's a coin flip for me but Makar has a much better shot and that tipped the scales for me.

Can't go wrong with either guy though.

 

[GOALOFSSON]

Eichel is considered to be one of the fastest/craftiest and best players in the league? Have a look at what #8 did to him last night. Eichel is still looking for his jock strap!

Oops

 

[Breakers]

Hughes with the Trifecta

1) All-Star level scoring
2) All-Star level underlying numbers
3) He Triggers opposing fan-bases.

Do You Kid

 

[goonybird]

it's been a while since a good Coffey vs Bourque, Niedermayer vs Lidstrom, Karlsson vs Doughty debate

 

[Puckstop40]

Makar can’t even stay healthy. Hughes AINERC

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Bump. Have to say Hughes and its not even close. Makar just simply does not have nearly the same skating ability or hockey IQ and Hughes can rip it with the best of them. I can see Hughes consistently outperforming Makar for the Norris while Makar will fall behind Miro and Dahlin.

 

[Merrrlin]

Hughes is doing more with less this playoffs.

 

[Dominance]

Hughes’ statistical picture this postseason has been pretty ridiculous thus far: 64% CF, + 30% CFrel, with almost 73% defensive zone starts.

Makar is right there, though: insane 73% CF, + 21% CFrel, with majority defensive zone starts. He’s also independently created more offense and been less reliant on the PP for production, and didn’t get the luxury of playing Minnesota.

 

[Bankerguy]

Anyone who says AINEC is expressing to the world the fact that they dont know anything about hockey lol

 

[Regal]

Hughes’ statistical picture this postseason has been pretty ridiculous thus far: 64% CF, + 30% CFrel, with almost 73% defensive zone starts.

Makar is right there, though: insane 73% CF, + 21% CFrel, with majority defensive zone starts. He’s also independently created more offense and been less reliant on the PP for production, and didn’t get the luxury of playing Minnesota.

I wouldn't call Minnesota a luxury when it comes to offense. They had the 2nd lowest xGA in the league all situations and the lowest 5v5 during the regular season. Dubnyk was terrible this season, but he didn't play and Stalock was ok. Plus, Minnesota had much more to play for than the round robin teams.

 

[missionAvs]

Anyone who says AINEC is expressing to the world the fact that they dont know anything about hockey lol

But you just said AINEC.

Anyways, these two guys play the game very differently but are most definitely in the same tier AINEC.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Hughes might be better right now but I don't know which one will be better going forward. I really don't know.